Those two descriptions alone don't fit my classification and besides I wasn't being all that serious.....:rofl: I know classifying people is immature. My post was more about the huge influx of spey and other flyfishers in my lifetime and on my favorite holes since I got my spey rod at the tender agoe of 15. It drives me nuts but I know I have to accept it. But now that you have struck a nerve with me by calling me an idiot I will let it flow because it feels tooooo gooooood. I said it is all about body language; for instance the last 4 times I have been to the Skagit I have run into large group of guys, all looking the same with gortex Simms head to toe, and all about as snarky as you can imagine. Every bit of conversation I tried to make with them was met with a little curl of their lips and some vague reply. I used see Dec and those famous guys at the Mixer hole about 10 years ago and they would approach me and ask how the fishing was, they were never like these guys today. I knew who they were and I was impressed! Now that is a real fisherman and what a great community is like. That was before spey "claves" and other B.S. Oh, I assume that since you took so much offense to the comment you must be exactly who I am talking about, a yuppie. You can call me, "The guy who works his ass off and wishes he could still fish as much as he did when he was a kid and is jealous of all the lucky ones who fish all the time." I don't care. Just please don't act like a horses arse on the river and pretend you have been fishing these holes with a spey rod for your entire life. I know you probably live in the urban insanity somewhere south and are originally from California. I call you people “Explosive Growths”. At least I don't call people idiots who I don't even know. Would you call me an idiot to my face? “jbuehler you are an idiot. just because someone knows how to cast doesnt make them a yuppie”……Oh really? “anybody that knows anything and spends any large amount of time on the water knows that gore-tex is the most desirable material to fish in. like i said, you are an idiot.”.............You make me laugh!