you tend to bust your knuckles on big fish luke..i.e. why they are called "knucklbusters" For nookies I did damage to my hands..wasn't that fun... I can honestly tell you guys from my own experience that pin's are a bit more chanllenging in the beginning...but like any gear I have fished it really got B O R I N G for me...your still watching a float all day.. When I started with the single hand and then moved on to the spey...even slow days are still fun because there is just that much more to learn and do...whether it's finding the fish and finding what they eating...or being surprised by catching one when all you've heard is "it can't be done in these conditions, with a fly etc. etc."