Deer and coyotes

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  1. andrew

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    Last year I peppered a yote with two rounds of #6...I was standing on the side hill watching my dog work the thick brush below me in a draw and happened to notice the brush/grass moving about 20 yards behind my dog. The yote popped out of the grass and winded me, the split second it took me to realize he was stalking my dog he made way for the other side of the draw...that's when he lost some fur! I wish I had my 38 with me...

    Normally I'd say live and let live, but his intention was no good...so my response was the same.
     
  2. Top in my class

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    I agree, We have made to big of a foot print were we are in charge of poulation now why do you think they have limits on things?

    But arent mountian lions a bigger treat to deer then coyotes? and wolf's hunt in packs more then coyotes do and they are bigger, which leaves me to think we would rather have coyotes then wolf's.
    We have deer hunting land in eastern washington and we believe that the cougars are the main reason the population has gone down, because they can eat up to a deer a week usually.

    Any thoughts?
     
  3. Upton O

    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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  4. woods

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    I think you are pretty good in assuming that an increase in the cougar population has had a negative impact on deer herds in that area. Since hound hunting was banned the cat populations have been thriving. Whether or not they have more of an effect than coyotes, I do not know. But I do know that coyotes won't hesitate to make a meal out of a deer fawn
     
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    Ptuting a big hurt on the fawns this year. Seeing a lot more coyotes this year in E WA
     
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    a few elk and small buck
     
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    hey ribka i would like to get my first elk this year with muzzleloader, you mind telling me were you are seeing these cows so i can make my wish come true?! :)
     
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    now i am hearing a lot of hunters telling me they are having cougars stocking them while hunting makes me a little nervous now
     
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    Realize that you're only going to see a cougar if the cougar wants you to see it. Take most of those "stocking" stories with a serious grain of salt. The vast majority are people being paranoid. Yes I'm sure it happens, or the cat is at least curious enough to tag along for a while. But take a moment and think about how many cats are out there, how many people go out there, and how seldom attacks actually happen. Worrying about a cougar attack is sort of like buying a lottery ticket. Yeah, it could happen, but in reality it's just a waste of time.
     
  10. andrew

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    Having had only rip stop nylon between myself and a hungry cat wanting an easy meal out of my dog...I mind that 6th-sense/hair raising on the back of my neck while out in the boonies, and I will not hesitate to take a shot at all three if they seem to be 'curious'! Another thought on the lines of 'supply and demand', we've increased the available food supply to all three species (wolves, yotes, and cats) with the introduction of turkeys. It makes all the sense to me that those species would thrive with potentially more food. However, they are not going to target turkeys only, but fawns, elk calves, grouse, and anything else that presents itself as a meal (me or my dog).
     
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    This thread sort of reminds me of what it must have sounded like when the state of Washington with all its wisdom put a bounty on Dolly Varden...

    "better clean the last one out of our rivers before they eat all of our "good" fish...!"

    I didn't put this in here to target anyone, or to piss anybody off - just some food for thought.

    Flame away, if you wish.
     
  12. ribka

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    Spend much time outside urban areas?
     
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    I've only seen one and it was defiantly surprised to see me. My neighbor surprised another one at his folks place in suburban North Bend. I'm not sure if more people are being stalked, but it sure seems like there are plenty cats out there.
     
  14. Greg Armstrong

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    Yes-siree-sir, I sure do. Been doing so since the 1950's.

    Am I now qualified in your opinion to post on this thread?

    Coyotes and deer have coped with one another here for a long time. My Great Grandfather arrived in "E WA" on a buckboard wagon in the 1800's and shot some really big, old monster bucks (still have a monster non-typical rack mount of his). There were a lot of coyotes around back in those days as well, and the deer grew large. That was the point of my post above regarding the Dolly Varden.

    By the way ribka, nice photos your camera took. Here's a couple from my yard this year; The little blacktail buck was in the backyard, and the photo of the bear was taken through our kitchen window - he's no more than 30' from our front door. Gotta enjoy seeing the wildlife.
     
  15. Upton O

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    I am of the opinion that there has been a shift in the dynamics of the coyote population on the east side in terms of the prey species they seek. As a kid I recall days of seeing hundreds of jack rabbits which were more a plague alfalfa fields than anything else. These days you rarely seen a jack. I'm wondering how the lack of this species affects coyotes feeding behavior and their impact on deer and elk populations. Of course, there are always farm cats and house cats that make up a small bit of the deficit of rabbits...

    Just thinking...