Define your "exceptional" searun cutt

#61
The hook issue comes up here regularly, but search some of Roger Stephens advice on using tube flies and tinned hooks. I use the same hook on 90% of the patterns I tie now, and that a Gamakatsu SC 15, usually in a size 4. It's a light wire saltwater hook, but is tin plated instead of SS. I had an epiphany a couple of years ago after leaving a couple of flies on my console overnight. The SC15 was lying on a Targus SS hook, and in the morning the tinned model had started to rust where it touched the stainless steel. Not only do these hooks rust out quicker, but if you break off a fish on a tube fly, the bulky part falls away, leaving only the light wire hook behind, which presumably corrodes away quickly. And using 2x Fluoroflex (12.5 lb test), I don't break many off, even anchored in fast water here in the south sound. Get em in, get em off.
Good call Freedon... The SC15s are great hooks for cutthroat flies!

I think there are alot of people who have the misconception that you need to run light tippet in the saltwater. It's been more than a year since I've broken a fish off in the salt and that was a fat silver that took a big dive right when I had him next to the boat and broke my knot. I run 8 and 10 lb Maxima pretty exclusively and don't feel like I'm spooking any fish. I don't think there's any reason to fish anything much lighter.

As far as the size doesn't matter argument - it does to me! Not that I don't like catching the little guys, but I'm out there for the big fatties!
 

dryflylarry

"Chasing Riseforms"
#62
I use the SS15's. I do like them, although it is easy to snap a point off on the beach with a low backcast (that never happens to you guys tho right? :rolleyes:) They are nice and sharp hooks however. If you find a good replacement, tell me. I used them on Chum a few times and did ok, however, they bend easily on fish like that. I also had them snap them. I wrote a letter to Gamakatsu and sent the bent flies with no response back. Pretty poor customer service if you ask me, although I probably should not have used them for salmon. Still was somewhat disappointed that they said NOTHING.
 
#63
Dryfly;

I noticed that you're using the SS15 hooks and bending the shanks on big fish. Gama makes two hooks that are very similar, the SC and SS 15's. Same wire and gape, but the SS 15 is the longer shank. I found that I was losing more fish after hook ups on the SS, so I use the shorter SC15 now. I realize that you can't tie a longer pattern on the short shank without inviting short strikes, but with tube flies, that isn't an issue.
 

dryflylarry

"Chasing Riseforms"
#64
Dryfly;

I noticed that you're using the SS15 hooks and bending the shanks on big fish. Gama makes two hooks that are very similar, the SC and SS 15's. Same wire and gape, but the SS 15 is the longer shank. I found that I was losing more fish after hook ups on the SS, so I use the shorter SC15 now. I realize that you can't tie a longer pattern on the short shank without inviting short strikes, but with tube flies, that isn't an issue.
Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try.
 
#65
An exceptional searun is hard to define - the varied spotting of each fish, the way some fish fight harder than others, the surface takes, the rose blush on the operculum in late fall, it's hard to say....just being out on the water with the opportunity to fish for searuns is exceptional to me.
I try to minimize my impact on this world class fishery by using small hooks (SC15's in #4), netting the fish quickly without a "fight", and using a shallow catch and release net in which I keep all landed fish cradled in the net under the water surface while I remove the hook. If I take a photo - the fish stays in the water.
 
#66
Jimbo

My tracks along SW Washington rivers, among others; the Quinault, Hoquiam, Palix, Wishkah, Satsop, Wynoochie, Humptulips, to name just a few, were set into the sand primarily in the late 1940s through the mid-1960s (with the exception of a tour in the Marine Corps). At the time I lived in Aberdeen.
I'm glad that you have enjoyed my cutthroat books. It is always good to know that at least some of those tattered copies have been useful.
Good Fishing,
Les
 

Bob Triggs

Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!
#67
I'm wondering if this "sea-run brown" might not have been an Atlantic salmon escaped from a rearing pen. To the best of my knowledge, there are no net pens in Hood Canal, but I have no idea how far an escaped salmon might wander either. Salmo salarand S. trutta are pretty closely related and a colored-up salmon can closely resemble a brown trout.

I was thinking the same thing. Atlantic Salmon can range thousands of miles.
 

Smalma

Active Member
#68
There is no question that those atlantics that escape from the net pens do shotgun through out the region. I remember that last time there was a large number of escapees from the pens by Cypress they fish were noted in virtually very Puget Sound River from the Frasser to the Elwha within week of the great escape.

Over the years I have seen several proported brown trout from local anadromous rivers and pictures of a dozen or so others. One was a very large Atlantic in full spawning color and the rest were small Chinook in spawning colors; they do sometimes take on that "buttery" color of mature brown - especially the Jacks.

I remeber a Hunt for Big Fish esipode were Dalhberg was fishing Argentine Rivers for sea-run browns. He caught one excetional large fish (over 30) and commented on the large teeth that "big old brown" had- it was of course a large male Chinook. Since then I have heard that at least some Chinooks have become established in one or more of those rivers.

I do recall that there was one brown confirmed in the Bellingham Bay area - probably from Squalicum lake.

Tight lines
Curt