Delta 6/7 turnover issues

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by James Waggoner, May 6, 2011.

  1. Steelie Mike

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    You mean my TnT James :)? That cutback Delta is perfect for that rod BTW. Lots of good advice here. Sand, stick with it.
     
  2. golfman65

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    Did you measure it and if so do you remember the diameter? with two feet do you have that in over hang..
     
  3. James Waggoner

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    I did measure it, but don't trust the measurement from the box or website, at 50.5 feet I was still inside of the rear taper. I measured then worked my way down to the end of the taper...which was about an additional 15 to 18" then allow 2' for overhang, with the loop to loop outside of the tip top.
     
  4. James Waggoner

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    Well that's a one sweet rod Mike. Isn't that the same model of rod Brian has? I remember about 4 winters ago, meeting Brian on the river, he was kind enough to give me some pointers and advice...and to cast his TnT with a light Scandi type line on it. From that point forward, I've been looking for that feel and crispness...and my love for skagits started to wane.

    Perhaps one day I'll cast that combo again, I just hope it's as magical as I remember it...By the way, that 540 compact was blasphemous!
     
  5. golfman65

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    Cool...Thank you
     
  6. Nooksack Mac

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    I've been testing a new Airflo Delta 6/7 on several rods. Yesterday, inspired by opinions in this thread, I tried something new to me: casting with sinking tips on a virgin floating line. The first was a 12' Rio clear sinking tip that weighs 37.5 grains. To my surprise, it turned over well; the additional weight was unnoticeable. A 12' Rio Powerflex (112 grains, 7 inches/second) would turn over too, if I pulled the belly about seven feet into the guides before casting. I can't report on its handling of weighty flies. With the Nooksack closed, I was casting nothing but a yarn tuft, in case of official inquiry.

    One thing that probably helped is that the line is .045" at the tip. This and other Airflo spey floaters have a thicker tip than other brands. I've found that trimmed tips above .050-something" can move some fairly serious weight.
     
  7. James Waggoner

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    Let me amend my feelings about "Where to cut..." Today, in a light wind, I found that the head just failed to load consistantly at all. I pulled the head in to where the rear tapper starts and it loaded nicely...not as tight as a loop but better load. My new response is to cut the head, at the transition...just take 90% or all of the rear taper off. (You'll add this length back with overhang) The trimmed off rear taper should sharpen the loop and enhance the load and turnover. Anyway, the good news is if you already cut it, its always easier to make shorter.

    I hope this helps...and shame on all those that saw this disaster waiting to happen and allowed me to post bad advice to the Golfman!

    I did get some 8wt rio tips to try...I'll report back on my findings.
     
  8. James Waggoner

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    So after cutting off the rear taper and re-looping, took the line to the river for a test drive: 3" conehead leach with a 109grn. rio 15' type 8 tip. Felt very good, nice tight loops at times...still working out the kinks...and Double speys very nicely. Snake roll really suffering, think has much to do with being type 8 tip, seems to double snake roll okay. Left hand single spey...tip just too deep to perform with a type 8 tip and conehead leach, did manage to get a few spiral singles to go. Will need to practice more left hand casting with a type 3 tip. 109grn tips seem to match up pretty well with the 6/7 Delta Total weight with the Rio 109grn tip is now 525 @ 50'. Though this set up will cast a nice winter sized MOAL, I will admit the factory 77grn tips and a #4 muddler minnow has greater line speed and stability....making this a good all around winter and summer line just by changing tips.
     
  9. TallFlyGuy

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    James, why are you putting bigger heavier (7/8) tips on your lighter 6/7 delta? Isn't that blasphamous? :) Just bump up your delta to a 7/8 and your problem is solved all the way around.
     
  10. James Waggoner

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    that would require more money, I don't have. Besides, the 7\8delta tips are still really anemic at 87grn so if I add 109grn tips to that I'd be closer to 580grns...that maybe a little heavy, but I may have to go there.
     
  11. James Waggoner

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    Turn over issue solved... I bought a used 8/9 delta, cut the running line and 2.5' of the rear taper off, and 17' off the front, to end up with a total length of 33.5' @ 445grns A Rio 8wt. 109grn. 15' tips are now a perfect fit! New head total W/ tip is 48.5' @ 554grns. Spent all morning casting with amazement, a cone head 3" bunny leach. Single spey, left or right, snake roll, double spey...it does it all!

    At 554grns, I'll probably keep this for sink tip/winter type work or the Deschutes on those sunny/windy days. Thanks everyone for all the in put.

    James.
     
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    Looked good you were bombing that little leech LOL. I wish I could say the same for my casts. Maybe by the end of the June I will have figured it out and stop double crossing at times and blowing my anchor. LOL
     
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    Perfectly Put!!
     
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    James,

    Congrats, you basically made an airflo NW skagit head. With that said, don't skagit heads cast awesome? :thumb:
     
  15. James Waggoner

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    Quiet YOU! ...OH yeah, almost forgot :)

    I call it my version of the Nextcast Winter Authority I've been hearing so much about.