Disturbing versus tonight

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Daryle Holmstrom, Mar 23, 2007.

  1. Bill Douglas

    Bill Douglas blue collar dirtbag

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    The big issue I have with the younger set out there is that a lot of them think it is acceptable to drop repeated "F" bomb regardless of who is around. You could be store with several women and children, and you'll hear two dudes talking. "F this" "F that" Completely oblivious that there are women and children present, and within earshot.
     
  2. tahuyamg

    tahuyamg tahuyamg

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    Daryle now your getting in the spirit! A tatt' of a steelhead would look cool. A great way to express your love and passion for the outdoors, fishing, and specifically for steelhead. If you go through w/ it make sure to get a real good artist. Don't let cost be a factor in your decision. Man a steelhead would look cool- lot of colors. You could do a whole mural on your back something like a cool cliff background, fly line going into the tail out, steelie gettin big air w, your fly hang out of the corner of his mouth ( I'd think you'd want it to be a big buck you're hooked into) OK, OK, maybe that's a little bit to much for ya. just a though though....
     
  3. hendersonbaylocal

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    "Disturbing" is pretty strong language. Were you actually disturbed?

    I don't have any tattoos or piercings because I'm not really into that. Even if I wanted to, I probably wouldn't, because I have no doubt that it would seriously effect how successful I was at my job. The sad thing about our society is that people judge others based on stupid, superficial things. Before they decide to get piercings or tattoos or whatever, people just need to face the truth that the vast majority of their clients/teachers/bosses/whoever are going to look at them differently. I am sure it will change someday.
     
  4. Jon Borcherding

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    I grew up in the 60's and 70's. Drugs were quite common and the older generation was disgusted by young people "altering their conciousness" with drugs. They seemed to consider the use of drugs to be a form of self imposed mental retardation. Today I am joining the "older generation" and all around me I see young kids piercing themselves and "adorning" their bodies with tattoos. Drugs and tattoos and body piercing all have one thing in common. All of these activities alter the natural state of the human body and/or mind. All three activities are a form of self mutilation.

    I find it fascinating that so many of the "body enhancements" currently in vogue share a "tribal motiff". I recall that often the use of drugs was defended by proponents of drug use who claimed that drugs were an integral part of a "tribal" or "communal" experience. (ie. peyote, mescaline, pscilocybin etc.)

    It sometimes seems as if all forms of self mutilation are an outer expression of an inner disatisfaction with our current situation as a species.

    Listening to a young person explain why they feel the need to pierce their tongue or scarify their face is very much like listening to a drooling hippy explain that he is expanding his conciousness by snorting PCP.

    There are many different kinds of "body enhancement". Facial piercing, genital piercing, scarification, tattoos which range form numbers applied in concentration camps to artwork worthy of public display, to prison and gang markings. Drugs also run the gamut from coffee, tea, and beer to heroin and methamphetamine, LSD and pharmaceuticals.
    ALL of these things or actions alter the natural state of the human body or mind.

    Each individual has the choice of whether or not they wish to alter their natural state.
    People will make judgements about you based on the manner in which you have altered yourself and the degree to which you have altered yourself.

    I am certain that most of the people reading this post would look differently at a person who has written obscenities on their arm with a burning cigarette than they would a girl who has peirced her ears. Likewise, you would look differently at a guy having a beer in his backyard and a junkie shooting up on a parkbench.

    The truth, as I see it, is that we all judge people by how they look especially if their looks are a result of their actions. If you go out of your way to make yourself different, don't be surprised if people look at you differently or treat you differently.
    Do whatever you want to your mind and body. They are, after all, yours. But take some responsibility.
    JonB
     
  5. Jergens

    Jergens AKA Joe Willauer

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    I think that comparing piercings and tattoos to drug use is slightly extreme. I get your point about self mutilation, but cant remember the last time someone died from a piercing overdose.
     
  6. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    I get a kick out of those who claim to be 'trying to be different' or 'expressing their individuality'. They hang out together and all blend in quite nicely actually. Ever drive down university ave or broadway on capital hill? The ones who look like individuals and stand out are the ones dress in simple jeans and t-shirts with no tats, peircings, funky hair, etc. (oh, and that 'chick' in the short skirt and heals... look again....doh! ;) )
     
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    iagree Daryle but as old as you may be you were still man enough to admit you may have judged
    the book by the cover and not the content. :beer2:
     
  8. TomB

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    pretty ironic for you to be telling him not to judge other people or insult them based on personal choices after you went on a homophobic rampage on the photo gallery zen
     
  9. Jon Borcherding

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    I'm not sure that an actual death toll is neccessary to justify pointing out the similarities between drug use/abuse and piercing/tattoos/scarification/etc. However, now that you mention it, I think the reason that tattoo "artists" are required to be licensed in most areas is due to the fact that they were once notorious for spreading hepatitis. One needen't look too far to find horror stories involving different kinds of infections and other health issues caused by tattoos and piercing, just as there are many horror stories associated with drug use that do not end in death.
    I think we can all agree that, all other things being equal, the better we care for our bodies and minds, the longer we will live.
    JonB
     
  10. Sloan Craven

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    It's funny that you mention that. My current field (that Im getting out of) is filled with a lot of people trying to be anti-conformist, so a lot of them have tattoos or piercings. I don't have tatts or piercings for a lot of reasons: I know I would snag a piercing on something, I never thought of an image I liked so much that I want it on my body permenantly, I have enough trouble with airport security as it is, I like to throw on a jacket and tie once in a while and pretend Im important.... But I really don't care if someone has tatts or piercings and have had a lot of friends that are inked. However, not wanting to get inked has gotten me ALOT of flak from collegues. They say that I'm not openminded, a snob, a conformist, etc..... So it works both ways quite a lot. So don't worry about jumping to conclusions based on how someone looks, its part of the human genome.

    Worm-tell your daughter to make several copies of the tatt she wants to get and put it everywhere. Above her bed, on the bathroom mirror, in her locker, on the fridge....so she has to look at it several times a day for a year. If she still likes it after that time and hasn't started to ignore it or gotten sick of it, tell her you'll help pay for it. That prevented a lot of people I know from getting certain designs, even people that have several tatts.
     
  11. kodiaksalmon

    kodiaksalmon Jeff B.

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    It does look cool, but I'd skip the colors. I've got a pike, a silver, and three steelhead tattoos, and they're all in black. Color in them would look poor and faded in a few years.

    I've also got 13 silvers "running" upstream over my shoulder and onto my chest, five flies scattered about, and even Flip Pallot on the bow of a flats boat. And then there's the Kodiak motif on my back. All of my ink is covered with a short sleeve shirt, but I know it's there, it's there for me, and I like it. I'm getting more done actually...

    Jeff
     
  12. theworm

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    Thanks Sloan, Good Advice! My daughter and I both love to sit and watch Miami Ink together. It is an entertaining show. There are some compelling reasons why people get tats. For my daughter, I think her personality exemplifies who she is. I just want her to make this personal choice a thought-out responsble choice. The law is that she must have parental consent before she turns 18. However, if her mom gives her consent,.......................I hope it turns out to be something she enjoys for the rest of her life and I will love always love her just the same!
     
  13. 1morecast

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    RIGHT ON!! This is what matters the most.
     
  14. riseform

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    That is great advice! I usually ask people considering a given pattern if they would wear the same clothing or jewelry they thought was cool 10-20 years ago. Then I bring up polyester shirts, shag carpet, leg warmers, rainbow suspenders, etc. Of course, if it's a fish or fly pattern, I keep my mouth shut and give them a thumbs up.
     
  15. thewaker

    thewaker Tight line takes ain't no fakes!!

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    Chad,
    you nailed it exactly. Tatoos and piercings today are so common that you have done nothing to set yourself apart from anything. Cool fish tatoos are the exeption because they are still pretty original. My buddy has a couple and I could say not too many bikers,rockers etc. have a steelhead on them anywhere.

    Every 16+ year old girl in America has a tatoo of a rose or some other lame thing on her lower back. Not that theres anything wrong with that, it's just not original. Nose piercings,eyebrow piercings belly button rings etc. are sooooo last week. Like you said, the person that stands out these days is the t-shirt and jeans wearing normal looking dude or dudette.

    I think that a lot of these kids are struggling with an identity crisis and feel the need to stand out in some way or so they think. In doing so they are just lumping themselves in with a bunch of other folks trying to do the same thing. What do you get? A bunch of so called individuals that look very much the same.

    To each his own I guess, but in another 20 years or so, all those with pristine unmarked skin will be the individuals who stand out.

    My 2 cents
    Mark