Does anyone still use this great winter steelhead fly?

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by Dave McNeese, Nov 12, 2006.

  1. Davy

    Davy Active Member

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    Mr. Preston === those are FANTASTIC. It would hard for me to choose a favorite fly between a Umpqua Special and a Skykomish Sunrise and you have dressed it and the others superbly sir.
     
  2. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    I'd love to fish one of those flies! I can think of some OP rivers under low water conditions that the '20 would work well on. If you can post the specific materials you used, I'll poke around a bit and see if I can't find some. At the worst, I may have to substitute the Cock of the Rock and the Toucan :)
     
  3. Davy

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    Hey James, if you ask real nice , McNeese has a great sub for Toucan , but you have to ask real nice, beg even. Ok I do, maybe he will just set you up with some. LOL
     
  4. Dave McNeese

    Dave McNeese One of the OLD guys

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    What is your phone # and address and you get flies to fish with real feathers.

    Dave McNeese
     
  5. Preston

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    Dave,
    I was talking to local guide John Farrar yesterday and he said he had a good picture of Drain's 20 (which Drain called Pool and Riffle before taking his 20+ pounder on it) which he would send to me. The fly in the picture was tied by Drain himself. I guess I had forgotten what a beautiful fly it is, the only picture I could find was in one of Trey Combs' books and was too small to give any impression of the details.
     
  6. Preston

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    Hmmm, after looking over the recipe for Drain's 20, I see that the picture John sent me lacks a few significant details (toucan, cock-of-the-rock, and the wing material don't seem to match). This makes me wonder if John's statement that it was tied by Wes Drain was accurate. Any suggestions for a cock-of-the-rock substitute? I think I'd like to tie up a few for use this winter.
     
  7. Dave McNeese

    Dave McNeese One of the OLD guys

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    Preston,
    The fly is an old one, John Farrar thought it was from the 50's. This is a variation and as Wes told me he not always had the two feathers available(toucan, cock of the rock). I tied the body the same , but with a different color of wing.. white, purple, red, and black polar bear. Did Wes do the same..?
    Feathers were tough to get after WWll, then came the Korean conflict and feather suppliers had a tough time importing except central europe feather merchants. These feather merchants had anything for a price, and only a few U.S. shops got feathers through.. like Jimmy Deren. I spoke to Ted Niemeyer last night about the "20", since he has examined many collections over the years, thought Wes tied several types before the BIG fish that landed the name.
    Flies are going out to all on Monday.

    Thanks for sharing your flies and experiences

    Dave McNeese
     
  8. Kevin Giusti

    Kevin Giusti New Member

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    Hey Dave would love to participate in the study! Will pm you with my info. Great idea! Kevin
     
  9. Davy

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    all you fine anglers recieving these flys from Dave are gonna be amazed. I have just seen the flys ya'll are gettin..... I recommend using 65 lb Maxima tippet to avoid losing them. Better to break the rod and the arm and straighten the fly than lose it, no????

    Now if I can just figure out how to interupt that shipment....hmmmmm,LOL. Nice flys Dave!!!!!
     
  10. Matt Burke

    Matt Burke Active Member

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    I met the infamous Dave McNeese last Sunday and picked up my fly. Actually, he tied it right in front of me. What an amazing thing to see Dave tie. I’ve been tying so many fishin’ flies that I’ve forgotten all subtleties. The way he lays the thread all evenly spaced, material of a quality I’ve not seen or can buy at a local shop and the stories that go along with demonstration were fascinating. Truly, a master at the tying bench. His hospitality for a short visit were far more than I knew possible with kids running around, kittens and horses everywhere, in the midst of moving, etc. he still took time out to tie me a fly. If everyone were as kind and generous as Dave, the world would be a much better place. Thank you Dave.
     
  11. Ned Wright

    Ned Wright New Member

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    Hello Dave,

    I would be honored to fish this fly. I am a steelhead newbie, so no promises on the quality of the data I will return to you, but I will send you information on the amount of time the fly was on the river, what river, flow conditions (high, low, in shape), weather (sunny, cloudy or rainy (being a UV fly and all)) and number of strikes (I can't promise that I will land them:mad: ) and/or success rate. I you want any information in particular, let me know.

    In pm you mentioned size. I would guess that 8 or 10 would be best, but anything from 6 to 12 would be fished. I will only be bank fishing on small to medium steelhead rivers in the south sound/sw washington. Possibly the penninsula, but no guarantees.

    PM sent with address and phone #

    Thanks for the opportunity,
    Give me a call if you have questions,
    Ned Wright
     
  12. seanengman

    seanengman Trout have no politics

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    PM Sent. I too am a steelie newbie. I am planning a trip to the Grand Ronde Dec. 30 and 31 so if your offer is still up, I would be more than happy to give that fly a try.
     
  13. Steve Rohrbach

    Steve Rohrbach Puget Sound Fly Fisher

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    Dave, the fly arrived the weekend. It is stunning. I am really looking forward to getting it into the water. I will post a report as soon as it happens. This is going to be great fun.
    Best regards, Steve
     
  14. Don Stracener

    Don Stracener New Member

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    Dave,

    The flies are fantastic!

    Since I haven't spent a lot of time on the water a friend has been fishing the heck out of your flies.

    Three days fishing just that fly and nothing yet. He lives on the river and fishes every day. I'll tell you just putting that fly in the water was something, all you want to do is look at it.

    As for a substitute for those feathers. The main feature, besides good looking, is the UV properties of the feathers. Just matching the colors would not do the job.Your substitute would have to have those UV properties.

    Will keep you posted.
     
  15. Scott Behn

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    Hi Dave I know this might be a little late, but just saw your post on wanting to try an experiment with the Drain 20. I would love to try it on my local water up here at the Pilchuck and Skykomish Rivers if you don't mind.

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