Does tradition matter while steelheading

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  1. Keith Hixson

    Keith Hixson Active Member

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    P.T.

    Now that would be funny. Non fly fishermen bickering about methods and the ethics of certain methods.
    Maybe they are better balanced emotionally than us fly fishers.:D

    This elitist attitude of some flyfishermen makes me think these folks have some serious emotional problems.
    P.T. you are right on.

    K.
     
  2. Desmond Wiles

    Desmond Wiles Sir Castaline

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    Maybe we can get Chris to start a new "Rant" section, it's pretty commonplace, isn't it?:confused:

    I would rant too, but I think Zen summed up my feelings. Since when is fishing supposed to be religeous? I'll obey state law, but I won't obey legalistic "traditionalism," I can enjoy myself on the river without it.:cool:

    Des
     
  3. mike doughty

    mike doughty Honorary Member

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    Just a comparison - i started snowboarding in '86' when on a big mountain like mt. baker we'd only see maybe 5 snowboarders all day and most of them were burton wood split tail boards. is someone gonna tell me i should respect that tradition and snowboard on nothing but wooden split tailed boards and if i don't i am ruining/disrespecting snowboarding?
     
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    Let's all watch "Fiddler on the Roof", then we'll understand TRADITION better.

    K.
     
  5. mike doughty

    mike doughty Honorary Member

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    Hey ibn, i don't think that you should use those eggs of yours because they were not tied with feathers, yarn or thread, therefore not truly a fly. i will take all of those off of your hands though. j/k:p
     
  6. stokes

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    Word! I'm going back to ski boot liners in my Sorel's secured with copious amounts of duct tape and three buckle burton high backs. We should run on down to Park City and get discriminated against like old times. Tradition!!!!
     
  7. wolverine

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    Geez, I must have 1 foot in the fires of H**L!!! I use every tactic and technique in my quiver when I go fishing. Except using guts, well I do back bounce guts/eggs for spring chinook. Fishing is fishing. If they want a fly great. if they want a spoon, spinner, or pink worm instead, thats great too. I grew up a Colonel's kid military brat and fished all over the planet. I've killed, and released fish everywhere i went. Still do today. I do eat fish! Today in the NW its planter trout, hatchery steelhead, salmon, or spiny rays. Tradition? Fishing itself is tradition. Do I spend all day casting and just be satisfied in making pretty casts? Not a chance. I'm always out there trying to catch the biggest fish in the pond, creek, lake,river, or bay. And lots of them! Flame on....
     
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    hmmmmm.....I love NYMPHING...
     
  9. Mingo

    Mingo the Menehune stole my beer

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    it is kind funny/interesting, and usually much more good-natured than flyfishing flame wars. I fish with some wacky, crazy, fun-loving bait/plug buds who think flyfishermen are a bunch of stuck-up tight-assed posers.......they give me crap all the time about my "fag sticks". They will argue with each other like drunken sailors, but then laugh about it. Call each other "a boondogging p*ssy" or a "plug pulling boat whore" but it's all in good fun. Some flyfishermen get their man-panties in WAY too tight of a bundle over techniques. Like you said, it's just fishing.

    Man oh man, fish how YOU want to fish, within the law :beer2:

    I think that overall, flyfishermen are becoming more accepting of new techniques than even 3 or 4 years ago. I use beads at times and I've been called a flosser for it. I've also skated a dry in the dead of winter when I had no prayer of a hookup just because I wanted to cast a floating line for fun....for me it's all about fun. I don't work in the FF industry so I don't have the emotional/financial/ego stake some people do. As long as there is a cold beer at the end of the day, who gives a pile of doodoo what someone else dangles on their tippet? :rofl:
     
  10. Donald Johnson

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    I do respect those steelhead flyfishing pioneers who have gone on before us, however I do not feel compelled to fish exactly as they did. One of the best things about our sport are the opportunities to be innovative. I am concerned when we accuse good anglers as being "bad". The future of our fisheries depends on us understanding where the real problems lie and working together to solve them.
     
  11. espja

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    Ok. I give.

    You swingers wrapped in tradition are soooooooo cool! I meant it!
    I wish I was like you. I am so impressed with the line and mending skill you guys demonstrate going through a run… I’m just astonished really.
    God only know nymphers can’t do that.
    Hell just swinging a fly makes you a better environmentalist.

    Not only do you guys make better fisherman but better people too.
    You guys are so cool, in fact that I don’t blame you for looking down on other fishermen that don’t do what you do.
    Man how do you tolerate us on the same water?
    Well maybe it because you want us to find our fishing souls and don’t want us to miss out on the higher meaning.
    I mean we are only 2nd class flyfishers.
    I’m just so glad that you care so much about what we do.
    We might get lost or something without your guidance and insights.

    I was just wondering…is there a course I can take to help me be like you guys?
    Do you guys have a club or something?
    How do you join?
     
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    Good post Andy! True dat! True dat!
     
  13. Dick Warnke

    Dick Warnke was Pram-Man

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    Damn Mike, you beat me to it....I was going to go after IBN's eggs!!! :rofl:
     
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    Fishing is my escape from the rat race and I'm not about to worry about what anyone else thinks about how I do it. I fish a lot, on the swing, with dries, with indicators, I love it all. One stretch of river I fish a lot has hardly any good swing water, it's really just a trout stream, deep and narrow with lots of overhead brush, so I fish indicators and nymphs there because it's a great place to fish and I'm not going to give up fishing there just because the water isn't suitable for swinging. I kind of shake my head at predudiced speynazis who say "fish the swing or don't fish at all" it's kind of funny, some of those guys have a serious chip on their shoulder. But that's their perogative, they're entitled to their opinion just as much as I am I gues.....I just think that you fish you should be kind and respectful to others and try not to pre-judge. This is supposed to be about coming together with our fellow anglers not drawing lines in the gravel bar over what way to fish is right and wrong.

    As far as tradition goes, let's celebrate it and remember it. Fish greased-line style or dries when it makes sense, try some old patterns, let's never forget our past. But there isn't any reason why we shouldn't strive to create a new tradition as well. 100 years from now people will be saying...remember back in the 90's when people were fishing nymphs for steelhead with yarn and those ancient graphite rods..man that is so old school!

    -John
     
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    JJ has a strong point...

    And as usual all the usual suspects jump aboard and call 'elitest', 'snob', etc.

    My father didn't teach me yet I found solace in swinging flies.

    Back in my 'earlier', mid-late 80's, years of 'flyfishing' I too would get twisted up over people saying 'nymphing with an indicator' isn't really flyfishing. What? What do you mean you judgemental A-hole? I'm using a fly rod/reel/line and even a hand tied 'fly' (whether a glo bug or nymph) I'm flyfishing and that's final.

    Take a good look at just the method of dead drift nymphing with an 'indicator'. I see ZERO difference between that rig and a 'gear' fisher using a float and jig. While the delivery (and gear used) of the 'lure'/offering is different, and the 'lure'/offering itself may be different (at times), the IDENTICAL objective is being accomplished. If it looks like a duck...

    Take the indicator off and high stick it and now you have drift fishing. If it walks like a duck...

    Ask any dyed in the wool gear fisher that is coherant of flyfishing methods. I have yet to meet one that doesn't believe the nymphing fly angler isn't just gear fishing with a fly rod. If it talks like a duck...

    Does that mean 'nymphers' aren't being legal? No. Does that mean 'nymphers aren't being ethical? No. Does that mean 'nymphers' aren't having fun? No. Does it mean 'nymphers' aren't really flyfishing? No. That is up to the individual. I don't consider it flyfishing and therefore don't fish that way any longer. I realize that it is truly a duck. If I am going to use the method for steelhead I will darn well use a Centrepin Reel and have a blast. Nobody is saying it isn't fun, ethical, or legal if used properly.

    But if I am going to flyfish then I am going to move that fish to my fly. And not just a foot. The more feet that fish moves the more fun it becomes. And ultimately more rewarding for me. I am going to do it with hand tied flies. Not glue eggs. (What are you thinking Mr. Doughty??? No more soft hackles for you.) ;) ;) ;) Many of which are traditional spey or dee patterns (or variations thereof but retaining the style).

    Traditional methods have nothing to do with having to use wood and silk. So, please, get that out of your craw as a reason to discredit.

    Choose to fish how you want and stay legal. Keep the released fish in the water. And stay off of my river.

    William
     
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