Does tradition matter while steelheading

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Steelheadjunky, Feb 23, 2006.

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  1. mike doughty

    mike doughty Honorary Member

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    Well hello william, my point was that i will fish whichever method i feel like and enjoy it, whether it be swinging, nymphing, dries or whatever, basically that all depends on the water. some water is more suitable to certain types of presentation as everyone knows. one thing for sure, i won't look at someone else that is fishing a different method then me and think, what a f@#$ing loser. what do you mean no more soft hackles/ that syl's midge, which i have a lot of now, has been a better producer for me then anything else i have been fishing.
     
  2. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    this is going to fun.... :cool:

    So are you saying those guys using a spinning rod to float and jig fish with floating line, a hand tied marabou jig are really fly fishing??? :confused:
    ;)

    So let's see if I have this straight.... If I swing a fly, where I cast, mend, swing, pause, strip, step, etc (or whatever variation you choose) and cover the water as well as I can using some kind of attractor 'fly', and keep my fly in the 'zone' in hopes that somewhere along the run, i'll just about bump a fish in the face or back it down and eventually pi$$ it off enough that it bites out of aggression, hmmmmmmmm you know, I know died in the wool spoon fisherman who fish nearly the exact same way - swinging spoons.

    So does that mean swinging isn't really fly fishing but SPOON FISHING????? :eek: If it looks like a duck….

    :rofl:


    How do you control how far the fish moves?? Especially in 34 degree water??

    Are you suggesting the steelie I watched swim 10-20 feet over to my nymph to slam it was really just snagged or flossed or something????




    So if anyone here wonders what "traditional" means, we simply need to ask you, right? :thumb:



    :rofl:
    I love these ridiculous threads. Really makes me smile at the end of a busy week :beer2:
     
  3. Desmond Wiles

    Desmond Wiles Sir Castaline

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    I understand what you're saying William. But I can also understand why some flyfishers would get upset when told they aren't "really" flyfishing. By definition from the WDFW reg book a Fly is
    "A lure on which thread, feathers, hackle, or
    yarn cover a minimum of half of the shank of
    the hook. Metallic colored tape, tinsel, mylar,
    or bead eyes may be used as an integral
    part of the design of the fly pattern."

    So explain to me why it's no longer a fly if it's nymphed instead of swung?

    Des
     
  4. Sloan Craven

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    Ahhh tradition..... Let's enact some.

    I think it fit to tell thee these following truths, that I neither undertake, nor write, nor publish, and much less own, this set of rules to please myself; and, having been too easily drawn to do all to please others, as I proposed not gaining of credit by these understandings, SO I would not willingly lose any part of that.

    1. All Gentlemen shall don a tie while fly fishing. The knot of thee tie must cover the fastened top button of the Gentleman's shirt at all times. The tie may consist or tweed or silk (for the more fashionable angler), but never of polyester. Polyester ties are only worn by the proletariat, never a gentleman.

    2. One must always greet a fellow angler with a "Good day kind sir (or madam as the case may be). Tis a glorious day is it not?" . For failure to o some would be deemed rude.

    3. One must always respect a fellow angler's space giving a minimum of 15 yards betwixt one's self and a fellow angler if each is using a traditional casting rod. One must place a minimum of 25 yards between each other if one of the anglers is using a two-handed salmon rod (also referred to by the colonists as a 'Spey' rod).

    4. A gentleman angler shall never drink coffee after the tenth hour in the morning, or after the first of the mornings draught. Nor shall he drink hard sprits before the third hour after noon. During mid day a gentleman shall consume only water or ale. Flavored soda water should never be consumed by an angler neither during a day fishing nor at any point in the normal course of his life.

    5. If an angler is to wear a hat while fishing, said hat must have a brim. Said brim must extend the entire circumference of the hat. Headware on which the brim only covers part of the circumference of the head (like the headware for cricket or polo) should only be worn during the participation of the activities that they were intended for.

    6. Gentleman anglers should be weary of criticism of fellow fly-fishers appliques. One must remember that it is an art to deceive a salmonid with an artificial fly. For it is more sharp sighted than any hawk, and more watchful and timorous than your high-mettled merlin is bold. Both swinging and nymphing are arts and arts worth your learning.
     
  5. mike doughty

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    If you are using a fly rod, fly reel, fly line and flies then you are fly fishing. if you are making 100ft. casts, chuck and duck method, weighted fly or not, eggs, classic hairwing, spey, marabou patterns you are fly fishing. if you are nymphing, indicator or not, swinging, sub surface or top, casting up stream or down, split shot or not then you are still fly fishing. who gives a shit which way a person prefers to present the fly? i personally prefer to swing flies because i think the take is more exciting, but will change methods in a heart beat if i feel like it. this is the reason i hate people, someone is always looking down on others because they don't do things the same way. and i'm spent.
     
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    1. Yes, you are a usual suspect.
    2. I'd love to see you all f*^$ed up on a river nymphing for steelhead. I was a spin guy before the fly and the casting is a cinch, no mending is required, and presentation is almost guaranteed. Not so, when nymphing. Well, when you do it right! I have a funny felling you'd be a real kick to watch with your "bobber" on the river. Your statement about nymphing shows your completely uneducated about the topic.
    3. Let me see, the delivery is different, the gear is different, the technique is different; but it's ZERO difference? Well said Professor! OUR OBJECTIVES ARE ALWAYS THE SAME! What are you doing when doing the difficult, always practical swing? Hoping to snag a root wad?

    Off the perch old owl, the mice still taste good. Real good!
     
  7. mike doughty

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    cherrio, cherrio my fine lad.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
  8. Desmond Wiles

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    My good Sloan, would you consider engraving that on a plaque? It would go very nicely over yon tying table.

    That's some funny stuff!!:thumb:
     
  9. inland

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    Mike,

    Notice the ;) ;) ;) That means I'm funnin ya. Don't get all bent I was just kidding.

    William
     
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    That is the challenge and what I enjoy doing. And Mr. Baker your first point illustrates how little you know about swinging. Misunderstanding on both sides it what propogates all this rhetoric.

    As usual this thread comes up again and again and I do not think the posters main initiative was to attack nymphers. You guys are just too sensitive. It really does not matter. What does is we have a connection with the folks who came before us and owe alot of our sport to them and thier innovations. It is lame to say well they killed all our fish and discredit it all. Being flippant and dismissive does not help anything. Neither does people harrasing you for how you fish on the river. I choose to swing flies but if I saw that happening to anyone out there fishing how they chose the offender would be getting a 16'1" colonoscopy.

    I feel being cognitive of the past with an eye towards the future is the best way to live life in general, not just fishing.

    -sean
     
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    Chad K..good point...I'd add that swinging spinners is almost identical to swinging flies and spoons. Almost no difference in casting or direction of casting, in fact spinner fishemen try to "swim" a spinner just like I do when swinging a fly. However you'll never ever get me to say that spinner fishing and swinging the fly is the same thing, as it clearly isn't, just as any knowledgable indicator fisherman will insist there is quite a bit more involved in getting a good drift with an indicator using a fly rod than a spinning rod and a float.
     
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    My point was - that unless you are sight fishing and actually see where the fish was holding and how far it moved - how do you know if it moved 2 inches or 20 feet?? you just get surprised by the slam you suddenly feel. Some guys (not me) are convinced that swinging is really just flossing and the 'take' is what happens after the leader slides through the mouth and the hook pokes the fish in the mouth, and the fish then turns, bolts, or head shakes - thus 'slamming' the fly. I know it's not true, but it is just as wrong as the view some guys have toward nymphing...
     
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    iagree
     
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    Allright John,

    What came to prominance first? The swinging wet fly or swinging spinner/spoon? Who copied who?

    William
     
  15. mike doughty

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    yes i noticed and i wasn't taking you seriously. i hit the green with rockstar caddis a few weeks ago and they were the only thing working for me.
     
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