Does tradition matter while steelheading

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Steelheadjunky, Feb 23, 2006.

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  1. sean

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    Chad it is maybe in my head but I have caught fish on nymphs and also swinging. I think you can feel when you have moved a fish in winter cause your flies get absolutely slammed. Not to say it never happens in nymphing but usually the takes are so slight, hence the bobber to help detect them. For me the take is king an I like swinging takes. The majority of them are just more exciting to me than watching a bobber bounce up and down.

    Also in the summer when fishing floating lines with skating or just below surface flies you are always moving fish. Not many steelhead I know of hang out in the top 2 inches of the water column.

    -sean
     
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    I suppose Backyard and I had it coming a few months back when a group of guys swinging flies with spey rods blatantly low-holed us while we were nymphing our way through water that didn't even lend itself to swung flies, right? Ironically, the only steelhead I hooked that day was on a swung fly, but I probably lost it as payback for my blasphemy earlier in the day, right? Tradition means nothing, ethics mean everything.
     
  3. inland

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    Jason, Chad, et all-

    "Does that mean 'nymphers' aren't being legal? No. Does that mean 'nymphers aren't being ethical? No. Does that mean 'nymphers' aren't having fun? No. Does it mean 'nymphers' aren't really flyfishing? No. That is up to the individual."

    What part of that did you skip?

    William
     
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    My first point was "You are a usual suspect." Point #2 referred to spin fishing. Read before commenting....
     
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    Tradition says not to low hole some one. Ethics comes into play on whether or not you decide to respect that tradition. They are both intertwined.

    -sean

    ps I hope you gave those guys a piece of your mind.
     
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    Not that it really matters which came first, but for the record people have been fishing spoons and spinner-like lures for salmon for hundreds of years in Europe. Patents on many of the french-style spinners used today (i.e. mepps) go back to the early and mid 19th century. I've even seen several hundred year old american indian hand-line hooks that were made to look like fish, a crude yet ancient form of a lure. I can't remember the Zane Grey story name but I remember reading one of his earliest stories about him fishing spinners in the 20's at a logging camp for steelhead in a brawling river I think it was in Washington. That would have been about 50 years before 2-handed rod even began to become slightly popular for steelhead and salmon fishing. I would be willing to bet that spoons and spinners were used extensively fishing for steelhead in the pacific northwest long before a fly angling tradition was established - back in those days people had to put food on the table and didn't have the luxury to sit around and think about what kind of fishing they did.

    The greatest irony is that that many of those 16-18 foot greenheart rods on the Spey and Dee were used with older forms of lures as well as flies, and also were used extensively to fish bait:eek: .
     
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    Chad,

    Since you like playing devils advocate...what is your definition of flyfishing? In the couple of years I have been reading this board I don't recall one time that you have given anything more than counterpoint,with intent to dispell, to anybody that gives a personal opinion of what constitutes flyfishing to them.

    William
     
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    Anyone changed their opinion yet?:eek: This dead horse's been whipped beyond recognition.
     
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    chadk Be the guide...

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    Sounds like a chicken and egg situation. Or a duck and egg in this case :hmmm:
     
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    John,

    Where does the swung wet fly history fall into line with 'spinners' and 'spoons', not imitative lures, considering Berners? And that she was predated by the Chinese by a long time?

    Just curious.

    William
     
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    Chad,

    Once again another useless quip. Do you ever offer anything backed by personal opinion or experience?

    William
     
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    We didn't have to after 'yard hooked a fish that took him downstream into the water they were flogging.
     
  13. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    Fred,

    All I'm saying is that if it looks like a duck, swings like a duck, presents like a duck, attracts like a duck, get's a response like a duck, it must be a duck. I'm using your logic. Does it matter who did it first or who coppied who?

    You can call it fly fishing if you want, but for now on, when I see someone swinging - especially with a spey rod, I'm going to think about ducks and spoons I'm afraid.

    ;)

    (I'm really not taking this too seriously if you can't tell - just pointing out that your duck logic is kinda silly)
     
  14. Desmond Wiles

    Desmond Wiles Sir Castaline

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    Why did you leave out the remainder of your quote? Perhaps I should quote it in it's entirety and maybe this will explain why we "skipped" it. ;)

    So you begin by saying that yes, nymphers are indeed flyfishers, but conclude that you see it as a duck (gear fishing), and that it is not flyfishing. Those of us that disagree with you are simply disagreeing with you. As far as I'm concerned your argument is hosed! :p

    Des
     
  15. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    A useless opionion vs a useless quip - they seem about equal to me. I have a very strong opinion and lots of personal experience with quips.

    I've provided TONS of useful tips, pointers, suggestions, opinions, and valuable enteratianment :clown: to this site over the years - I have earned the right to post a few useless quips. :ray1:

    It's all in fun, especially on a friday after a week like I've had... :beer2:
     
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