Does tradition matter while steelheading

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Steelheadjunky, Feb 23, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Joshw

    Joshw Tamer of Trouts

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2004
    Messages:
    441
    Likes Received:
    27
    Location:
    Bozeman, MT
    .......Yawn.......


    1.9/10....horse has been beat to death, revised from the dead and beat again one to many times....
     
  2. coffeeand trout

    coffeeand trout New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2006
    Messages:
    71
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    seattle,wa.
    Steelhead junky mentions in his first post that his "special river" had to be "regulated because people couldn't control themselves". Was he referring to the "no weighted fly" regulation enacted on the North Fork Stilly because folks were targeting Summer Kings with SWUNG egg-sucking leeches and rabbit fur/marabou streamers...... ethics and tradition apply both to the style of fishing and the treatment of the fish. Just because you swing doesn't mean a darn thing, as has been said before, it's the experience.
    I swing and nymph (glo bug) and am good enough at both to enjoy myself.
    I've met nice folks who only would swing a fly, I didn't have any problem fishing with them or enjoying the fishing. I would have an issue with some person (rethought what description to use, person was nicest) who dictated to me how I need to fish. If you don't like the way it is, waaah.
    Maybe with the next regulation change opportunity all of our fly only waters could be using a "swung method only".....especially Rocky Ford.

    Coffee and trout
     
  3. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

    Joined:
    May 10, 2004
    Messages:
    5,057
    Likes Received:
    43
    Location:
    Snohomish, WA.
  4. John Hicks

    John Hicks Owner and operator of Sea Run Pursuits

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2005
    Messages:
    2,219
    Likes Received:
    319
    Location:
    Olympia
    Home Page:
    Ok, I'll get in on this one.

    I myself for my personal preferance will swing flies for steelhead. I don't even like to swing big hairy cone headed things. I tie traditional feather flies for steelhead and I fish them on the swing quartering down. I don't do this to be a snob. I do it because to me and by me I mean ME, I pay reverance to the steelhead by using a beautiful technique with a well dressed thought out fly. I do this because I myself think that a steelhead deserves my best every time out. I do not however belittle or think any less of someone that uses any other ethical method to catch them. IBN, you flossing fish is just fine by me. ;)

    John Hicks
     
  5. inland

    inland Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2003
    Messages:
    669
    Likes Received:
    119
    Location:
    .
    Chad,

    I caught all of the emoticons throughout your posts. I was hoping you would contribute something.

    Don't think the analogous logic of swinging spinners or spoons wasn't lost on me. I pondered this many years ago. I find that type of fishing enjoyable as well. But not as enjoyable as swinging a fly using fly rod/reel/line as it is far too effective.

    I don't find dead drifting something suspended under a float enjoyable. I care not if it requires flycasting 'skills', fly line mending 'skills', or uses a hand tied 'fly'. Once you get good with the method it becomes too easy to fool fish. Way easier to fool fish than when swinging flies. I can't replace the 'feel' (that is accompanied with a good grab while swinging on a tight line) with that of watching for a flash, leader move, or indi show signs something has altered the drift of your offering.

    This in neither snobbery or elitist behavior. I am not imposing my way on yours. I am not telling you how to fish. I am not saying 'my' way is better. I am not saying what is more fun for you. I am just giving personal opinion on how I FEEL about the subject and why I don't play that way anymore. You may find great challenge in nymph tactics. I don't.

    Coffee- it's not the NF Stilly he is referring to.

    William
     
  6. Steelheadjunky

    Steelheadjunky Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2003
    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Redmond, WA.
    Coffee and Trout
    No I am not talking about the Stilly.

    I catch fish in all different ways dead drift, swung, skating, deep sunk wet fly, greased lines. I also don't fish all traditional flies but what I do is pay attention to the traditon of what fishing for steelhead is. Respect for the resource, hard work, more then just catching fish and not taking short cuts.

    It is about respecting the resourse. You can be a nympher that repsects the resource and puts limits on yourself and you can be jerk that swings. It is about fishing a fly not a piece of jewerly. It is about respecting other on the river which is sorely lacking these days. On average who moves through a run better a bobber fisherman or a swinger. Like I said on average.

    And it isn't about inovating. Heck some of the flys I fish aren't considered "traditional" say a foam skater but do I feel that they stay true to the tradtion of steelhead fly fishing. Heck yes.

    I can see that the menatlity is so entrenched here that getting fish at all cost is all that matters or that I am fine with so buzz off. I guess I just have to put my blinders on.

    JJ
     
  7. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

    Joined:
    May 10, 2004
    Messages:
    5,057
    Likes Received:
    43
    Location:
    Snohomish, WA.

    I usually pack 2 rods - one rigged for nymphing and the other swinging. The rivers I tend to fish aren't exactly loaded with easy to find steelies. So the challenge is less in the technique and more in the quary (sp?).

    I also find and ejoy the challenge in learning new techniques and approachs to fishing. I'd get bored if I had to fish the same way for the same species day in and day out.

    Also, when targeting hatchery fish - is there anything wrong with fishing in a way that is more effective and efficient - especially if you hope to harvest one or 2 for dinner (and remove them from the wild gene pool...).

    But if what you enjoy has to do with making it harder, less efficient, and more challenging in general - why not just skate dries all winter? Surely that would be more challenging, it would 'respect the fish', and would offer similar machanics to the swinging that you love :confused:
     
  8. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    4,700
    Likes Received:
    1,687
    Location:
    Olympic Peninsula
    Home Page:
    Deceased Equine.
     
  9. Dick Warnke

    Dick Warnke was Pram-Man

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2004
    Messages:
    777
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Federal Way Wa
    DEAD HORSE...iagree
     
  10. o mykiss

    o mykiss Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2001
    Messages:
    1,484
    Likes Received:
    393
    Location:
    .
    It's like the Shiites vs. the Sunnis in here. :(
     
  11. Tim Cottage

    Tim Cottage Formerly tbc1415

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2003
    Messages:
    2,150
    Likes Received:
    695
    Location:
    Outer Duvall
    Although originally well intentioned, this subject quickly deteriorated into senseless argument. At this point it might be wise to follow the instructions in the attached document.

    TC
     
  12. stokes

    stokes Guest

    Swinging dead horses is the only true path.
     
  13. Desmond Wiles

    Desmond Wiles Sir Castaline

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2004
    Messages:
    812
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Snohomish, Wa
    I like the last comment warning the reader to remove the horseshoes first! That's funny!:thumb:
     
  14. Salmo_g

    Salmo_g Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2004
    Messages:
    9,799
    Likes Received:
    5,306
    Location:
    Your City ,State
    Does tradition matter? Not just while steelheading, but anytime? It matters only if you choose to make it matter to yourself. You cannot make it matter to anyone else unless you have some sort of coercive control over them. Tradition matters about as much as personal moral and ethical values, with personal being the key point. Whose traditions are you asking about, Steelheadjunky? Mine? Your's? Your father's? Just for fun in discussions like this, I've occasionally said, "you're only fly fishing if you're using a split cane rod, a reel made in Englund, a silk line, and gut leaders." In which case I don't fly fish, cuz my silk line got all sticky and wouldn't cast, and my gut leaders all dried up, so I discarded the lot and am satisfied to fish with plastic fly lines and nylon leaders. Traditions matter only to those who choose to accept them and adopt them as their own. And threads like this clearly demonstrate the futility of suggesting that there is only one true and correct tradition any more than proclaiming only one true God. Fortunately, it's not a life nor death matter; it's about fishing, which disciples of this BB know to be far more important.

    Funny, I've never caught a steelhead while nymphing, but not because I had reason to think there's anything wrong with it. I thought an angler swings a wet fly or fishes one nymphing style depending on the nature of the water in front of him. A broad pool invites a swung fly, making the technique both pleasant and efficient. However, it's nigh on impossible to execute a wet fly swing in pocket water or deep narrow slots. I was under the impression that the nymphing technique was simply an adaptation to fish such water, rather than walking on by on the way to the next broad pool that accomodates the wet fly swing.

    Sincerely,

    Salmo g.
     
  15. Jason Baker

    Jason Baker Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    775
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Ft. Mill, SC
    Salmo,

    Great post! we may not always agree, but I can certainly respect an opinion like this one. Thanks!
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.