Done with Simms

Discussion in 'Classifieds' started by miyawaki, Oct 16, 2010.

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  1. bitterroot

    bitterroot Love vintage graphite!

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    Years ago I bought the cheapest pair of waders that Simms offered, I think they were called the lightweights. I'm still wearing them to this day, never a leak and they've been beat to shit. I've got a theory about waders....regardless of the brand, when companies start sewing too much crap on a pair of waders, i.e. reinforced knees, articulated this & that, etc. they are just asking for leaks. So buy the $500 waders with all that extra stitching all over 'em and expect leaks, or buy the cheaper waders with less crap sewn all over them and you'll probably be happier. Just my two cents.............
     
  2. Steve Saville

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    I can't see paying $700 for a pair of waders when I can buy two pairs of really good waders for the same $. It just seems that Simms has raised prices to a point where there is a dminishing margin of return for what you pay. I'll go with Orvis, Cabelas, Filson etc. and if I want to change waders each year, I'll buy Caddis and get a new pair every year for about five years at that same amount.
     
  3. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    Everything leaks if you try hard enough, and if you aren't succesful making them leak yourself, you can always find a bad review of any product if you look for 30 seconds on the interwebz.

    Also, there's a rule on the interwebz about product feedback: The more units of a product a company sells, the more likely you are to hear bad reviews. You might read 10 bad reviews about Simms and only one about Dan Bailey, for example, without doing the full math that includes the fact that Simms sells probably several thousands of pairs of waders to Dan Bailey's few hundred (just a guess). Regardless of the real numbers, remember that both numerator and denominator are important to consider when evaluating others'...evaluations.

    That's not to say Simms waders don't suck, btw. Maybe they do, but I don't have enough information to decide.
     
  4. LyNcH

    LyNcH Steelhead Junkie

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    I've had really bad luck with Orvis waders and their quality control. I do however like other fishing products they sell, hence the reason why I have an Orvis card and have a decent amount of money/reward dollars on it. I'll be calling that shop today because I have not had a singe wader issue since switching over to Simms. Thanks for the info, let's hope I'm not too late!
     
  5. Joshw

    Joshw Tamer of Trouts

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    Bought a pair of Simms freestones in 2000 and then bought a pair of the guides in 2005. The freestones are now my backup pair and both are leak free....wouldn't think of buying any other brand.

    Josh
     
  6. Dan Soltau

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    Yes, 700 is huge amount for waders, but $300 is typical across the board to get into a high end wader. $300 at Simms goes a lot further day in day out, of course there are always lemons but Simms does back a customer well as long as the customer isn't a total dick about it.

    Patagonia has certainly made some good waders in the past, in fact I used to back them more than Simms because I had a pair run strong for several seasons. When they started to leak, they gave me new ones. (Sweet.) The next three pairs didnt last more than a week on the water without leaking each. End of story there. Patagucci makes some of the best products out there, and they dont come cheap but they last. But I dont think their waders compare to the rest of their clothing and in this case, their competition. (Simms)

    Sorry to highjack your ad Leland.
     
  7. snarlac

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    Done with Simms? I can't even get them on.

    1. The legs are too narrow for the human species. You cannot get them on or off easily, or layer underneath them, and kneel down or climb over stuff. The chest is also narrow.

    2. They are hot as bejeezus. If I wanted non-breathable waders I would use my neoprenes, which are more comfortable than simms.

    3. They leak as soon as any other brand of waders, at the usual point of entry (crotch, back of knees). You'll hear other opinions and experiences; but trust me, it's no great shakes. The main difference is they are uncomfortable and hot. You'll get perhaps 30 days, max, before they start leaking. Not 200, not 150, not 100, and not 75 and not 50 days. Thirty days. That's it. And, I should add, if you are an aggressive wader like me - that's pretty much standard. You'll still need a couple gallons of alcohol to find the leaks, and bow-coo aquaseal to reduce the leaks to reasonableness. That doesn't make them bad waders - the terrible fit makes them bad waders.

    not only would I not pay $500 for the current line of Simms waders; I would not use them if you gave me a pair for free and paid me $500.

    Simms wader durability is right up there with sticky rubber.
     
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    I have had some simms seals give out on me before I even used them, I think you pay for the name like any designer clothes brand.
     
  9. PT

    PT Physhicist

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    So, you've had multiple pair of Simms give out before even using them? That's almost funny. I've spent 100+ days per year on the water since about 1990 and haven't had a failure that wasn't due to overuse or me being an idiot.

    Anyone remember the old StreamLine neoprene waders.....? That's a thread all by itself.
     
  10. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Holy freaking crap what a bash fest. As I read this, Leland is having a SALE at his ORVIS store and they are BLOWING OUT their SIMMS stock. You can read into it what you want. Orvis is making inventory room for this year's stuff? Orvis is no longer going to carry Simms, since both companies have their own wader, boot, clothing and gear/pack/bag lines? When did the notice of a sale become an invitation to bash a company? If you like Simms stuff, go see Leland and the crew and buy some at great savings. If you don't...well, don't. When Orvis has more room for their Orvis stuff you can go over and see Leland and the crew and buy some of that stuff too. Want Patagonia...there are shops and online places to get them. Filson more to your rugged preference, well, I think if you can post here you can find them too. Dan Bailey's has a good fan following too. Each has fans and foes for a variety of reasons, style, comfort, durability, slim, baggy, seams outside...whatever.

    Orvis is having a sale on Simms. Go simulate the economy and visit a friendly staff while getting a great deal...or don't. {chuckling for days reading this one}

    I have had three sets of Orvis and three sets of Simms waders. One of each was a problem, seemingly with little use. Both companies worked with me and I appreciate that. Each of the other two sets...awesome and exceeded expectations greatly and continue to do so.

    Have a nice day.
     
  11. Dan Soltau

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    Seriously, don't come and knock a product some one has for sale.

    Believe what you want, but with proper care no wader lasts likes a Simms wader. Just ask pretty much every guide out there.
     
  12. Chris Scoones

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    Dan, er, nevermind.

    Leland, thanks. They fit well. Looking forward to being dry this winter.

    Chris
     
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    I dunno. You tell me - your 1/3 failure rate isn't a glowing endorsement either. Maybe the title (done with simms) did it.
     
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    last guide I had said he went through 4 pairs last season.
     
  15. LyNcH

    LyNcH Steelhead Junkie

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    For those that are interested in the Simms waders, I called there today and they only have xxl g4's and g3's left. $349 & $259 I think were the prices. While not 50% off, both prices worth every penny and I would have bought a pair had they been in LL or XL. Are there any other Orvis shops that are clearancing Simms waders that anyone knows of?
     
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