Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by TROUTsniffer, Sep 15, 2012.
Thread of the year, Thread of the year, Thrad of the yea! Just had to throw that last one in there.
Sport fishing on dimmished fish stocks is wrong, but last year I saw plenty of FLYFISHERS targeting chums on the skagit under the disguise of humpy fishing even thou there was no season for them. The reality is that there is not enough fish to go around with the present population that exsist.
Save the environment...Get used to disappointment.
A lot of us on the wet side are pretty aware of the situation here. So, from the eastsie, how may days have you spent recently on the Nooksack, Skagit, Sauk, Stillaguamish? More than a hundred in the last year? Have you had a chat with some of the biologists/fisheries scientists on the Skagit or Stillaguamish lately over a brew?
As KerryS said, we most all agree over here that gillnets can be detrimental to stocks in some cases but if you aren't really aware of whose who in the treaty fishing world, you risk sounding like you're talking out of your ass. Again, there's good co-managers and bad co-managers.
Each watershed, management criteria, tribe, species and gillnetting impact is inherently, markedly different. If this were a private enterprise and I managed it, there's two biologists that are non-treaty that I'd have no problem firing immediately.
Double D is noticeably absent. He must be wise or fishing; or, both. I think I'll join him in either case.
Gillnetting rivers is bad for the enviroment.
If you want to take up the issue of a Chum shortage on the Skagit due to law breaking flyfishermen have at I'm sure you can really complain your ass off but I think you are just enjoy changing the subject in trying to justify your own issues as a race baiter.
Back to the Skagit did you call the authorities? If you see poaching you need to call the Hotline 360-902-2936 otherwise you are part of the problem. Did you call the hotline? Or is this more garbage to change the subject?
Ouch. You tried to play grammar police first. Sadly, yours sucks. "Should have" would be appropriate instead of "should of."
Maybe I'll post some more on this thrilling topic after a few beers.
Grew up fishing the Stilly, Pilchuck and Sky. Moved away 13 years ago to work on solid ground. Did I have to fish last year to have a voice in watching a the fishery I grew up on being destroyed? Kind of silly to think that talking to scientist in the face of such dire fishery conditions makes you feel comfortable enough to come on here and stifle debate.
Is there something offensive about the issue? I keep trying to stay on subjet but it keeps coming back to other issues like grammar, race baiting and now geographical bias. Hookedonthefly why don't I find a similar complaint anywhere in the string concerning the Klick and fishing from the boat? Seems like lots of westsiders have an opinon on the Ronde or the Klick are you telling them to keep it to themselves if they didn't fish that river last year? If not it's seems like simple hypocrisy to try pull that garbage on me.
this is why i've quit posting, because, for one, everyone has his/her own opinion of the matter for a reason, and truly believes theres is the right one. After that, it's human nature to try to force/prove your opinion to everyone else (i.e; religion)
i didn't think this thread would escalate to what it is and is not what i intended. I then explained my OPINION in very black and white layman's terms which sparked some serios anger and accusations. I do apologize for a couple of the things i said after i was called a bigot, rascist, uneducated, shots at my family and upbringing etc... So some of the comments i made were wrong and again, i apologize. Nevertheless, my OPINION of native american rights and gillnets are, in fact, what I believe.
now please don't bash my grammar and/or punctuation in my apology
The subject seemed to be gillnetting the Stillaguamish according to the origian post. I did deviate from the original topic somewhat; but, IMHO, the OP was way off base regarding his opinions about this particular co-manager and their practices.
I'm relatively comfortable saying, these Puget Sound rivers have not been "destroyed" in the last 13 years since you moved.
The reasons behind the demise of these fisheries is both straightford and complex. The list goes on and on. In some to a lot of cases, the "best" science of the past has been far more detrimental to our stocks than treaty fishing rights. For someone to say something about the limited gillnetting by the Stillaguamish tribe is ignorant.
Check the logging history on Deer Creek. It's pathetic.
I spent 17 nights on the GR last Sept/Oct. In fact, the 3 raft stack in my avatar was taken on the GR. I have opinions about those other geographical tributaries; but, I don't know that I'd feel very comfortable vehemently voicing such. I'd be happy to listen and learn in that case.
my netting comments weren't based towards the stillaguamish tribe only, and again, it was more a thread to tell people to maybe pick a different spot to fish (how many times have i stated this now?)
Here is what I see. Things are out of balance.
Harvesting, not just in the Stilly but across the board for fish or any other harvested item, is completely out of balance for natures ability to recover. Things need to change. We are not really adopting a conservative enough strategy for fisheries, and we all know it. What pisses off most people is that they want the other guy to give up their rights/fish/access/whatever, so that they can selfishly enjoy themselves.
We need balance. Balance will probably piss everyone off across the entire spectrum of however/whatever kind of fisherman you are. Nobody wants to feel the adverse effects of whatever the bridge is between current acceptable fishing and balance.
The ironic thing is I couldn't admit that I was as much of the problem as the next guy when I was immersed in the Puget Sound fishery. I was focused on the wrong thing because I was too close to the issue. Now that I was geographically relocated, and have had some time to ask myself the right questions (ethically speaking), and maybe grown up a bit as a person, I actually feel bad/irresponsible/stupid/shortsighted/whatever for fishing over wild stocks that are severely severely depressed.
Nets, hooks, dynamite, whatever the method we need balance. The pendulum has to make it back to equilibrium for us to have an objective perspective of what balance actually is..
"Nothing blows your motivation and excitement to get out early and fish more than getting to your spot and seeing the entire river netted for over 100yards.... Thats right, one above the spill way and all the way up river from that. Dont waste your time going high on the stilly this weekend stay below I-5...."
I would be less irritated if 100 natives were there with Rods rather than 5 with nets...
TROUTsniffer, Saturday at 7:55 AMReport
You could have made that arguement if you'd left out that last line as you clearly stated that you were upset about the methods the Tribe was using, so it was not just a heads-up post.
You quit posting?
Edited the punctuation for you there.
Sorry... Had to
I clearly disagree with ALL gillnetting regardless of who's placing them.BTW here's the legal rules for their nets, "River set nets shall be placed so that they do not cover more than one-half (1/2) of the distance across the wetted area of the stream channel and shall not exceed one hundred fifty (150) feet in length. No river set net shall be within two hundred and fifty (250) feet of another set net on the same side of the river" and since two out of three of these laws were broken in the netting i observed, the tribal police, fish and game, and state patrol were called. Next time i'll take pictures since i'm ignorant on the rules/laws of the oh so environmentally conscious gillnetters
I tried made it a page or two without one atleast