East Fork of Lewis to lose Hatchery Fish

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  1. VancouverFisher

    VancouverFisher Lucky if I get out anymore!

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    Anyone hear the latest on this yet? I know the work group was supposed to meet again today at the WDFW to discuss proposals. Is there anything definitive? I know it sounds like a forgone conclusion that the summer hatchery fish will be removed, but has there been any talk that the winter plants will stop as well?

    Also, does anyone have any thoughts on this? I'm not sure what to think about it yet. I like the idea of having a strong wild gene pool somewhere, but it saddens me to consider that fishing this water (which is great fly water by the way) could be a thing of the past. I've been hoping that my son would catch his first steelhead on a fly rod on the East Fork, but he's still only 10. I guess he'll have to learn quick!
     
  2. Flyborg

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    It's one of the few rivers in the area with a distinct and viable native run. Perfect candidate to cut out hatchery fish.

    Now if they were to try it on the North Fork--that wouldn't make any sense.
     
  3. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    I believe that would be all hatchery Steelhead, if the East fork is chosen
     
  4. Rob Allen

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    when was the last time you got a hatchery fish on a fly out of the EFL??? let alone a hatchery winter run?
     
  5. Salmo_g

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    Hatchery smolt to adult return rates are way down. Hatchery plants are way down. Not hard to see where this is going. Not much point in stocking hatchery smolts when it doesn't support a robust fishery, AND is detrimental to the native fish as well.

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  6. ctcooney

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    Not sure if everyone has already checked out the latest on this, but here is the link: http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01559/

    The only things that jump out to me are that it's implied that C&R fishing would only be allowed when the numbers could support it and that some surrounding rivers are going to get increased hatchery plants. My folks live in BG near the river and I'm happy to see that the runs are getting some serious protection and recognition but I'm also curious about how the local gear guys are taking the news.
     
  7. underachiever

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    I'm sure you'll find them bellyaching on cryFish
     
  8. Salmo_g

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    That's the problem with no hatchery stocking. No hatchery fish, and no directed, targeted fishing is allowed on ESA listed fish unless they are making escapement and healthy enough to support a harvest, at least the incidental mortality rate of CNR fishing.

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  9. Cruik

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    That oughtta teach those Vancouver residents not to cheat on their sales tax!

    But seriously, it's not like there aren't other hatchery games in town. Elochoman, Cowlitz, Kalama, and the Washougal Rivers are all within an hour and receive pretty healty planting.
     
  10. Jim Riggins

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    I grew up on the EF and have watched it go from a great producing river with that state record caught there to the mere shadow of itself. We all live near a river we like to claim as our home river which is what I call this one and it breaks my heart to see what has become of it. I'm pretty sure its all about the money and that's a whole other post but I am glad theyhave decided to finally stop dumping hatchery fish into it as the damage has already been done with the crossbreeding and all. I will never see strong returns that I was fortunate to witness in the 60's and can only imagine the runs in the early 1900's and before but I do hope the river repairs itself in time for mygrand kids to enjoy the Riggins tradition of getting up early on Thanksgiving to put the turkey in the oven and go up to Dole Valley and start fishing at the meat hole and work their way down to Lewisville Park or down to Daybreak and end up at the Arab hole or the cliffs and know the joy of bringing something home to share with on Christmas. Just sayin don't give up on her yet!
     
  11. Rob Allen

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    Umm rivers that aren't meeting their wild escapement goals shouldn't be open to targeting of listed species and no conservation minded angler would want to fish them anyway.. We HAVE to stop thinking that we have some sort or God given right to ruin things further.. As long as we view it as a resource to exploit no restoration will take place..
    Sure we can do habitat work sure we can alter hatchery programs but those are symptoms of our lack of commitment. We don't need a change of behavior we need a change of mindset that leads to a changed way of living.
    Catch and release fishing is the benefit we get AFTER we do the hard work of restoration not a right we should exercise whether restoration takes place or not.
     
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  13. Ed Call

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    Lecturing Salmo_G? He's one of the guys that gets it and you're lecturing?
     
  14. Rob Allen

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    maybe i misunderstood. i thought he was suggesting that removing the
    hatchery fish was a bad idea because it would eliminate cnr.
     
  15. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    Not sure I agree that is a problem.