Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by Jim Wheeler, Apr 25, 2013.
Wow, you really need to read this book.
Truth is the water level last year was the best in about the past 4-5 years. It was up because of last years winter and the way we had a spring. It is down again this year and that is substantiated by the local ponds also being doen. Last year the snow was allowed to go into the ground instead of years past where the ground was still frozen and with the melt all that happened was the water just ran down ditches to the river instead of into the aquafer. With that said WDFW and I put in about 100 fish last year (fishing was really pretty good) but without an aerator over the winter they all winter killed due to the now shallow nature of the lake. Again, it was agreed with the State that as soon as we can get an increased water level there are about 5 of us who are willing to foot the bill for a $4,000 aerator to put in and the lake can once again be productive.
Jim: I came to this forum some years ago because of this lake and the attachment I have had with it for many years. I would gladly be one of those who would contribute to the cost of the Aerator. I have had the insane thought of somehow giving this lake a badly needed transfusion and would help pay for that as well. Even though I doubt your theory I want to believe it and can be counted on to help in any way necessary.
At one time an elderly Gent from the Spokane fly club used to frequent this lake. I suspect he has become disabled or has left our planet. (I Certainly hope not) In those days the Spokane fly club was footing the bill. Maybe there are those on this forum who could speak to this and the gentlemen who frequented the lake.
Vlad: Tongue in cheek, and thanx for the book. Try truthdig.org for climate change thoughts.
I think the money portion of the project is pretty much taken care between myself (Spring Creek Prams), and three clubs but when it comes to fruition I am sure there will be a call to arms to reduce eveyines cost. Not sure what "theory" you're speaking of. If it's the runoff thought all you need to do is to go through the differences in the Fall/Winter/Spring cycle a few times to see the difference here in the valley. It's real. As for Ell Lake. There is one irrigator who has rights to the lake. He is the only one and owns about 30 acres behind the lake. As we all know if you don't use your water rights in Washington State every so often you lose them. This guy stood to lose them and he figures they're worth about $100k if he sells them "downstream" (which he CAN do). So, after he watered his 30 acres (dirt, no crop) for 5 days it took the water level in Ell Lake down about 3 1/2'. Yes, 5 days. So, I got the state involved and it was negotiated that he would not lose the water rights and he is now allowed to NOT water and NOT lose them for a number of years. So, if we can get out of an 11 year drought in the Okanogan Valley and have a few more decent "cycles" the lake will come back. Hell, in the 50's the water pretty much let Ell Lake and they carted the fish down to Round Lake and grew potatos in the marshy bed of Ell Lake. As for the Spokane club helping with the lake all I know is for the past 15+ years the Okanogan Fly Club has been paying for and maintaining the aerator in the lake until my father-in-law passed away about 8 years ago. Hoping the lake will come back but I think I'll be gone from the area before that happens.
Forestry Science.... oxymoron
I think he was being sarcastic. Say we all choose to disagree on climate change/global warming. Our seas are becoming more acidic from anthropgenic CO2. They are moving oyster beds to Hawaii, coral is dying off. The bottom line is we need to stop burning fossil fuels. We could have had this solved by now, but we did nothing for years since we became aware of the problem. Petroleum companies and conservative politics have thwarted progress. We can sit on our asses and wait for the next asteroid to hit the earth or we can do the right thing and do what is needed to insure the health of the planet for future generations until that asteroid hits.
So we (the USA I'm assuming) could have had this fixed by now (again assuming the acidic problem) in 6 years if we had addressed it earlier?
Aruncus2: I could not have said it better. Problem is, I (we) do not have the funds to take on the Koch bro, Massey, etc. and neither, major political party wants to get out of bed with these oil, fracker, moutain top removal, crazies.