Felt Sole Bans

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Bill Aubrey, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. Chuckanduck

    Chuckanduck Member

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    Jasmillo:
    I agree that rubber boots with studs do have their place, but it is not in a drift boat!:D
    With all due respect, I don't think this thread was started to discuss the pros and cons of different boot soles, but to discuss the merits of banning felt soles.
     
  2. ak_powder_monkey

    ak_powder_monkey Proud to Be Alaskan

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    Anybody ever use felt soles in a drift boat? Freaking terrifying! Or climbing down root wads, or in a raft...
     
  3. Don Freeman

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    Chuckanduck:

    Aside from the vague hint of conspiracy theory in your post above, I agree that most efforts to control waterborne diseases are flawed, and are failing. I haven't read up on the biology enough to comment on the time required to perish from the cold, etc, etc. but I do want to comment on #'s 4 & 6.

    #4. "So where did our Brown trout come from? Germany. Was that a rhetorical question? What's the point?
    #6. "(sic) state workers are exempt from the felt ban". I suspect that may vary from state to state. Here in WA where felts are still legal, my son was issued a pair of rubber soled boots by DFW to wear on stream surveys. The rationale being that they are certainly no more contagious than felt, and using them saves a lot of unproductive conversation with well meaning recreational anglers.

    Myself? I still have two pairs of serviceable studded felt boots and one rubber. I can only guess that anyone who believes rubber soles work as well as studded felt hasn't spent a season using the felts.
     
  4. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald that's His Lordship, to you.....

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    two things: first, it's not difficult to develop disposable felt bottoms that you dump each time you hit a new river; might be a little more expensive, but to me, that seems like a common sense approach. Second, "guvmint" is "handling" this issue?? Oh wonderful, and the track record for the Department of the Interior is...what?? Or the "corpse" of engineers?? Yeah, I'd really depend on government minions to get that problem solved! And England's river restrictions on wading was a land-use/"sporting" issue, not a water issue. It was also somewhat driven by the fact that there originally were no waders invented.
     
  5. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man (NFR)

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    I wearing felts with studs and still fell on my ass. Nothing works when you hit a slippery slope. Or walking through wet leaves.

    There are pro's and con's with everything out there that fishermen use.
     
  6. Richard Olmstead

    Richard Olmstead BigDog

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    Chuck,

    Most of your Woodrow Wilson list of 14 points are either tangential or irrelevant to the question of banning felt soles.

    Human transport is the ultimate cause of species invasion in virtually all cases. We can only take responsibility for those means that we have control over. Pick up and transport of an aquatic invasive (eg, a whirling disease spore) is proportional to surface area; there is little we can do to minimize surface area of waders or the uppers on wading boots, but the difference in surface area between felt and rubber soles is orders of magnitude. Also the slow rate of drying of felt soles permits attached organisms to survive much longer out of water.

    It certainly isn't a marketing gimmick. Consider Simms experiment with eliminating felt soles from their product line; it cost them so many customers that they have reintroduced a felt soled option. Likewise countries like Argentina and New Zealand that are taking strict measures to prevent the introduction and spread of invasives, because they understand the tremendous costs in lost tourism dollars that are at risk.

    As for documentation, I would like to see your documentation for this statement: "Colorado stocks millions of fish annually infected with whirling disease from their hatcheries." I think it has been figured out that the initial introduction of whirling disease in the US came through a fish hatchery in Colorado that had some diseased brood stock. And there have been accidental contaminations in other hatcheries since then, but I'm pretty sure that fish hatcheries throughout the western US now take great pains to prevent fish stocks contaminated with whirling disease from being introduced into public waters.

    A tremendous amount of tax-payers dollars have been spent trying to identify and propagate whirling disease resistant strains of rainbow trout to re-establish populations in western rivers. A cavalier attitude by fishermen towards measures designed to prevent further contamination of ecosystems that presently do not have one or more of the several potentially harmful invasive species will only result in additional damaged ecosystems and costly mitigation measures.

    D
     
  7. papafsh

    papafsh Piscatorial predilection

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    Those stinking PC regulators don't care a rats*** about reality or proof of anything before they start banning, anything and everything, and taking away our rights. That's what it's really all about. I bought a bunch of felt replacements years ago when all this BS started and Simms made their (self-serving) statement about not making felt soled boots any more. Funny how they flip-flopped once the sales of their boots fell off. HAHA! exactly what they deserved and I will never buy anything from them again, but hey, that's just me.

    LB
     
  8. Steve Call

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    I just fished the Methow. The bottom of the river is covered with some kind of "snot". It covers most of the rocks except in very swift sections. Does anyone know what it is and whether it is an invasive that could contaminate other rivers? I'm concerned about spreading whatever that shit is to other rivers. I'm planning to fish Forks area rivers next week. Do I need to clean/disinfect my boots, waders, etc.? My initial assumption is that it must not be a concern because I could find nothing about it on the DFWD website. (I have fished on the east coast and they post warnings and cleaning recommendations at public access sites on lakes and rivers.)
     
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    All the while.people are banning felt soles. Last year when I came to Spokane for my knee check up, I passed several boat checking stations in Idaho. First time I ever saw that. If your boat isn't clean you have to clean it up before you continue down the road.. I wonder if that applies to float tubes as well.
     
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    Haven't seen that come up yet here. I think our DFG is mostly focused on trying to eliminate all size restrictions on Stripers so the poachers won't be poachers anymore because our prisons are overcrowded even though we have the highest number of 'em per capita in the U.S. First round failed, however, due to some pretty angry organizations.

    We have boating education too. Notable was the free life jacket program. Apparently someone went to Portland, saw the free bikes downtown, and thought that would be great for life jackets here. Just pick one up, use it, then return it. Step one worked great. Step two , not so much. Few million worth walked away.
     
  11. Olive bugger

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    Yes, I have. I found them to be stable. I had no problems with them in either a drift boat or in a rubber raft. I don't know what a root wad is, but if you are referring to climbing down steep banks with tree roots exposed, I have done that also.
    I was younger then, but weren't we all.
     
  12. Olive bugger

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    You are correct. That was 100% of the solution, the fact that waders were not invented as yet, and were not an issue. My comments were intended to be humorous, but perhaps I should have put a disclaimer on the statement. I apologize if I offended anyone.

    Secondly, I like the idea of disposable felts. Of course the price would be a major consideration. At least for me.

    But, I have a tough time getting around the idea that only felt is the cause of the problem. It may well be a major contributing factor, but I have a gut feeling that it is not the whole answer.
     
  13. Kevin J. Burnham

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    Felt sole ban then what ? You Sheeple make me sick !!! You let the nanny state ban that and the next thing you know they will ban wading naked or drunk !!!!
     
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    Spot on. And, just as soon as I re-locate to Montana, I want the "no human transport" regulation put into effect. From that day forward, you fish in your own damn state and stay the hell out of someone else's! :D
     
  15. Olive bugger

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    Nekked maybe, drunk-NEVER.

    Too cold for me to go nekked.
    I am a delicate creature.