first steelhead/salmon rod -- multi tip or no??

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  1. golfman44

    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    A happy medium between 9 and 10ers and great for both rivers and beach single handers is to get a 9'6" 8 wt.
    Just my opinion, but 10 fters feel a bit clubbish to me when you get up into 8 wts. For beach fishing, they can wear you out pretty quickly since you'll be casting all day.
    I've used a multi-tip line off the beach for years and caught plenty of fish. I generally used the intermediate and type III tips. For rivers, you can also make your own T-11, T-14 etc heads to cover even more basis. Not great casting lines but fishable.
    That being said, once the integrated shooting head lines (OB Short, 40+, Streamer Express) became available, it was hard to fish anything else off the beach. While not cheap, if you got another spool and both a multi-tip and integrated head line you could cover just about any situation you'd encounter on the river and beach.
     
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    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    Yea I'm looking at the outbound short floating to start with and I can throw on some sinking polyleader when I need to. Not ideal for every situation obviously, but it's a nice start that won't be too expensive.
     
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    I won't pretend to know all of the current possibilities. I love the versitip idea, just not the versitip. The tip itself is too light or something.
    I will share an old guides tip though. When I bought my first SH rod (an 896 RPL, a classic and all time favorite), one of our veteran guides hooked me up with a 9wt SA Steelhead taper line. We cut it at 15 feet and whipped loops for quick connection. Then took a super fast sinking 30 foot shooting taper line and cut it at 18 feet and looped each end for 12' and 18' sink tips.
    It takes some balls to cut new lines like that but I'll tell you one thing. That setup still brings a smile to my face. Throws far better than the Versitip. As good of a caster as I have. The RPLs are fast in their class so the 9 is a good fit, and helps to muscle the sink tips and heavy stuff when you need it.
    Free advice, worth the price.

    Oh, and I've been throwing an Outbound Short on a 6 wt for a while now. Helluva line. You won't go wrong that way either. Won't mend as well on the river but has advantage off the beach. Swing both ways for twice the fun.
     
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    It's pretty simple really, but would take around $100 to buy the SAST ($65) and a 30' shooting head (+-$30). The T11 and T14 options weren't available in the 80s, and may be a better option for tips. I doubt they throw as well but might fish better. Most folks balk at cutting a new line, but the SAST makes a great long belly tips line that way. Generally I'm not a fan of uplining rods but think it's a key part of this setup. You will likely be uplining with your OB Short as they are 1/2 to a full line heavy for their rating. But you know that, and it helps quite a bit on the beach. It will work well with Polytips, and throw Leland's poppers like crazy without. With an 8wt OB Short, I would guess you'd want 10' Polytips in the Steelhead size. I use the Trout size with a 6wt.
    Good luck. Fish hard.
     
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    That is what I have been doing the last few years. I have had the same Airflo polyleaders for a few seasons now.