Fishing related Political Question: Sarah Palin and Pebble mine?

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  1. Mark Moore

    Mark Moore Just a Member

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    Would you vote for someone who believes that evolution is is real AND that creation took place. It is impossible to deny the fossil record but I also find it impossible to deny an intelligent Creator. The first question I'm going to ask God after I get to heaven is who really killed JFK, and the second question is going to be why do these crazy fish come back to the same rock where they were born, to spawn?
    As far as the whole Bigfoot thing, I'm pretty sure I've seen him more than once, it is always at dusk when I'm alone trying to climb out of some canyon in the middle of nowhere
    Late start for the Kalama today, Go Tigers!
     
  2. gt

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    i am sure you know that your true defender has voted against each and every bill introduced to help the men and women in the armed forces. such things as armored humvees; improved flack jackets; health care benefits; psychological assistance for returning troups..................

    the true defender title does not belong on the ancient one, he has demonstrated, in spades, that it does not fit him, not even close.

    i also appreciate hearing from an alaskan regarding perceptions up north regarding ms palin, thanks for that. we all need to focus our attention on the issues, and the pebble mine is one of thiem, and totally away from the prersonalities. after all when you have nothing to offer and 8 long painful failed years, you naturally want to jump on the personality bandwagon. but, it's the issues that make or break this country and until or unless the ancient one and ms palin are willing to be forthcoming, they will never have my vote.

    and for the record, there are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of citizens, who only vote on the basis of 2 things: no abortions and don't touch my guns.
     
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    bush has spent lots of money on this war he just hasn't spent it on our soldiers. it's hard to believe that mccain would go along with that - but he has.
     
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    Hahaha... point well taken. In all honesty I probably would never fish with Hillary either, but it would be interesting to see if her private persona is as abrasive as she is in public. I'm sure McCain would have problems fly fishing...
     
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    Do you have some bill numbers to go along with that? I've looked up his voting records and haven't seen that or are you just taking the information from what someone else told you?

    Scott
     
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    Since you asked, here are a handfull. The links take you to the US Senate web site. Now that we've got you started, do a little research on your own and get back to us.

    To create a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. McCain: Nay

    To increase Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes. McCain: Nay

    To provide an additional $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans. McCain: Nay

    To provide, with an offset, $20,000,000 for the Department of Veterans Affairs for Medical Facilities. McCain: Nay
     
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    I don't know how to break this to you gently, so I'll just be blunt.

    -- You will never go fishing with Hillary.
    -- You will never have a beer with John McCain.
    -- You will never go moose hunting with Sarah Palin or snowmobiling with her husband.
    -- You will never go body surfing with Barak Obama.

    You should probably take these off your list of reasons for voting one way or another.

    What is it with having to see yourself or your friends in the candidate you vote for? I like to think that I'm a pretty nice guy, a good, middle-class family man and a half-way-decent fly fisherman. None of that qualifies me to be POTUS. I've been fishing with some members of this board, and someday maybe I'll fish with others. But if I ever do run for president, you have my permission to ignore that fact when casting your ballot.
     
  8. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    You got my vote right there!

    K
     
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    Ken had me at POTUS. Didn't even know there was such a list. Actually, met Ken out on the salt. Because I met ken out on the salt, he now speaks for me and my vote. BTW my daughter says hi.
     
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    The proposed Pebble Mine is a typical cyanide heap leach mine. This is good to know. The reason is because, as far as I've been able to find, there is not one example, NOT ONE, of these mines that has ever failed to contaminate its surrounding environment and waterways with cyanide and heavy metals. This type of mine has a perfect record of always contaminating the environment.

    Ms. Palin says she will wait for the company's formal proposal in its application, and for the state of Alaska's environmental regulations to protect the environment. Either Palin is being disingenuous or keeping herself deliberately ignorant of what Pebble Mine will do to Alaska's environment. Either seems like a politically expedient strategy so that she can claim she never supported environmental contamination, at least directly or knowingly.

    Palin may be a MILF soon to be GILF, but that's insufficient reason to vote for or against someone. It won't matter to me; I'm not voting for McCain anyway. I used to like him more. But he's completely two-faced on military matters: support the wars, but don't support the troops. It's like he believes that the way to support the troops is to put a yellow ribbon on your car or truck instead of providing essential military materials and services to troops. Having just read this morning that Palin attempted censorship of the Wasilla Library when she became mayor there is just one more strike against the GOP team. Censorship, another traditional Republican value. It's always puzzled me that the GOP supports the 2nd Amendment so well, but always at the expense of the 1st. The upshot is that I don't see Palin as an asset to McCain's ticket, but I can see how she will be perceived as one by many Republicans who adhere to pro-censorship, anti-abortion, anti-evolution, yellow ribbon lip service to the military, and environmental degradation values.

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    nb_ken, I never said I WANTED to or EXPECTED to do any of the above. I also would not temper my voting choices on any of the above either. Those recreational items would truly not sway me one way or another to cast my ballot in any one's favor over another.

    I have however stood within feet of McCain, and over a few years had the occasion to stand nearby other members of congress. Sometimes representing sailors from my unit, sometimes armed and augmenting their traveling security detachments. Thus far, none of those politicians have impressed me as being "one of us middle class family men or women". When you run I'll gladly study your platform and make my choices, even if we have never fished.
     
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    All but one of these are Democratic AMENDMENTS,not bills, usually designed to get the exact result achieved here, which is to give the rank and file something negative to hang their hat on. McCain has been an ardent supporter of our troops, it takes real courage to vote against a high profile, wasteful, contrived, amendment "for the troops" (''For the children" sound familiar?) on the basis of conviction. Just for the record, while John McCain was in a North Vietnam hellhole getting his arms broken so he couldn't fly fish (or salute his Flag) Joe Biden, a star high school athlete, was taking 5 deferments because he suddenly developed a case of asthma. My grandfather used to work for THAT pretender, thank God I don't live in Delaware anymore.
    Tons of fish in the Kalama today, floated for 8 hours, only saw 1 fish caught.
     
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    I'd like to know Palin's position on large scale logging in the Tongass National Forest (SE Alaska). Here's a place where the feds and state keep pushing subsidized clearcutting just to create a few jobs. The logging has a real negative impact on non-subsidized, sustainable jobs in eco-tourism, guided fishing and commercial fishing. If she's really against corporate welfare and if she's prepared to fight the party establishment in favor of sportfishing interests I hope she's opposed to wholesale logging in the Tongass.

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    Don't get me wrong....I'm all about protecting our national resources but not at the expense of our national security. Rivers, streams and trees don't hold up too well to nuclear weapons and as passionate as I am about fly fishing the safety of my family is more important.

    McCain might be a bigger risk for our fisheries but if you think Obama is going to do a better job keeping our country safe...well, keep guzzling that cool aid pal.
     
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