fly fishing for the bourgeoisie (elite and filthy wealthy)

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#61
Keith,

Much as I respect your point of view, criticism of Cheney on a fishing forum is quite justified. Cheney personally used the power of his office to directly intercede in the Klamath River irrigation conflict in 2001, directly causing the mortality of 30,000 chinook salmon. It doesn't matter what the party affiliation is, but when a politician interferes with applicable legal processes to favor a specific political constituency, that's legitimate fodder on fishing and environmental internet forums.

Sg
 

Trent

Ugly member
#62
Trent, your opinion or interpretation is interesting to read, but different than mine. My major hangup is you using SUCCEED and SUCCEESSION instead of what I believe to be the correct term cesseed or cession. Regardless, I hope your favorite waters are open and you are fishing them.
Secede, secession, secessionist, etc., etc. etc. Don't any of you guys own, or know how to use, a dictionary?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:I didn't even catch that:beathead::beathead::D Oops, oh well, thanks for the correction guys. Maybe I shouldn't have dropped out of college:rolleyes::D:rofl::rofl:

Yes they were Ed, I enjoyed a nice day on a little mountain stream.
 

_WW_

Geriatric Skagit Swinger
#63
Secede, secession, secessionist, etc., etc. etc. Don't any of you guys own, or know how to use, a dictionary?
Heh heh...I told you that was some funny chit!
The internet is rife with these kinds of mistakes, even done it myself I'm sure. Usually you can still decipher the poster's meaning, but on occasion, reading the bit as typed produces some chuckles. In some instances what is actually typed causes one to pause and actually think in a new direction...like what happens when a state does not succeed.

Most businesses that fail, shut down. Often times there is a huge going out of business sale!
Some states might try to sell off assets to stay solvent. Maybe Idaho could divest itself of that ungainly panhandle. Or North Dakota...well...maybe North Dakota is not such a good example. But hey! Do we really need two Dakotas? Maybe those guys could merge?

Sorry for the rambling...too many Dead concerts in my youth.
 
#64
Keith,

Much as I respect your point of view, criticism of Cheney on a fishing forum is quite justified. Cheney personally used the power of his office to directly intercede in the Klamath River irrigation conflict in 2001, directly causing the mortality of 30,000 chinook salmon. It doesn't matter what the party affiliation is, but when a politician interferes with applicable legal processes to favor a specific political constituency, that's legitimate fodder on fishing and environmental internet forums.

Sg
Salmo,
It's alright to criticize Cheney on specific issues, I have no problem with that. But, general nasty remarks for the sake of nasty remarks is not appropriate. Also, I know a farmer in Klamath Falls area, Cheney is his hero, their way of living was almost destroyed. Many of the Farmers were literally ready to take up arms and fight the Government over the issue. The question which will have different answers is: Was the death of some salmon justified so the thousands of agricultural depended folks in the Klamath River area may continue to live like they have for over hundred years. Even in that situation there was two sides to the issue, when we become so narrow minded we fail to see that others may disagree and it shouldn't surprise us, and they to have reasons. Maybe he made the decision out of compassion for the farmers plight, maybe it was the wrong decision, it doesn't make him an evil man.
 
#65
iagree


My background, and my degree in History, lead me to agree with with Ed in his statements regarding the nature of unification of states, the powers of individual states, the rights to cession (I happen to have a copy of the constitution on my wall in front of me, and can't seem to find the passages Trent referrences) as well as the interesting nature of this thread.
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You have the entire US Constitution on your wall, including all of the Amendments? You must have a heck of a House. ;)

Remember when Bill Clinton shut down LAX for 6 hours so he could get a haircut in Air Force One?

A couple of years after that he decided to meet Jesse Ventura at the airport in Minneapolis so they shut down that Airport for over 6 hours. Two hours before the arrival of Air Force One. The time that the POTUS is at the Airport and for one hour after Air Force One departs.

He could have had his haircut and meeting at a local hotel so the Airports could have stayed open but he decided he would rather shut down two Hubs for his convenience.

Arrogance crosses Party Lines.
 

Trent

Ugly member
#66
Arrogance crosses Party Lines.
Except for the Libitarian Party, they don't even get media coverage:p

Back on closing down waters; could you be arrested for fishing on them anyway? For instance, say Dick wanted to fish the lower Skagit this July 9th for the Kings, so they closed it down for him to fish. Now what if some one decided that they also wanted to fish this fishery that has been closed for awhile, so they went out anyway; could he/she be arrested and charged for that?

Also, what if that person was someone who lived on the river and they were fishing off of their own property?
 
#67
About ten years ago I was flying into Chicago. When we arrived in Chicago we began circling around the City and out over Lake Michigan. The pilot announced that we are circling the Chicago area because Air Force 1 had just landed and they are securing the Airport. We circled for about 20 minutes and sure enough parked away from everything was Air Force 1. Almost missed a connecting flight except for the fact that everything was being delayed. Things happens, Clinton was President at the time. No one on the plane complained.
 
#68
Ed and Dnelson, relax guys.:D My original point with Europe was to point out that stuff like that may happen elsewhere around the world and is considered normal, but it is not supposed to happen here. I'm aware that it does though, hence how this thread was started. :D Ok, here comes more smartassness (warning):D You guys should get a refund from the school you got your degrees from:D North America has three countries on it (that I am aware of), yes I provided a map:D My point in bringing that up was simply a smartass answer to Dnelsons comment on Europe (no harm or insult was intended). Here are some links, if folks are interested, instead of me putting it up on the thread (it is kinda off topic).

The map of north America and it's countries:
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/na.htm

Here is the Constitution, where it never says that a State may not succeed. It also list the States rights and gaurentees:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html

Here is the definitions of a Nation, State, and Country:
http://geography.about.com/cs/politicalgeog/a/statenation.htm

Here is a History Channel board and another site about how none of the Confederate leaders were tried for treason, hence leading to the assumption that a state does have the right to succeed, but the Fed will fight you if you try.:
http://boards.history.com/topic/Civil-War/On-Treason-Us/510006339
http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/
Just a little "OCD" disorder note here: Please substitute the correct word, s-e-c-e-d-e, secede, for the word s-u-c-c-e-e-d, s-u-c-c-e-s-s etc. etc. as they are totally different in meaning and intent and have no revelance whatsoever in the quoted context! :ray1:

Jc:)
 

Water Flogger

Howdy neighbour!!
#69
Thank you Preston. That was turning from amusing to embarrassing.

As for Obama's popularity... When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count of the support of Paul. I just hope no one tells him what comes after a trillion.
LOL.saved me from doing it.....

And about Peter, Paul and Mary.........you're handed a ramshackle building that the last tenants have kicked to crap. The plumbing's shot, the roof leaks, there's holes in the drywall, and there's 3 mortgages against it, and a massive debt.
Oh, and most of your neighbours hate you.
The new guy comes in and starts fixing it up, and tries to make it livable, and yet folks deride his actions like he created the problem. Let me qualify this by tellin' ya'll I live in BC, but, man, the guy just got the job. Let him work.

Now let's discuss Canadian politics....
...yeah, I thought so.
At least yours are interesting.


Anyway, I got sidetracked.....RISEFORM: that crawdad in your avatar.....got the tying instructions for that?
That's one cool lookin' fly.
 
#70
Jimmy Carter once fished the Yellowstone backcountry (Slough Creek I think) all by himself for 4 or 5 days. No secret service, no friends, just the river, the fish and him. Regardless of your thoughts on his politics, it is hard not to admire the guy a bit. How many other former presidents would do that (or even could since Teddy R).
 

riseform

Active Member
#71
...RISEFORM: that crawdad in your avatar.....got the tying instructions for that?
That's one cool lookin' fly.
I really try to stay out of the political discussions on this forum, particularly since I don't use my real name. I just couldn't resist the "what comes after a trillion" joke.

As for the Clouser crayfish, here's a website with decent instructions. Instead of the furry foam used for smallmouth bass, Clouser uses mottled turkey feather (size 10 hook) for trout. Fished dead drift like a nymph. http://www.peninsulaflyfishers.org/Fly_Tying/clouserCrayfish/clouserCrayfish.html I don't think it's mentioned in the tying instructions, but with the fly out of the vise, if you stroke the hen mallard flank feather with the inside edge of your scissor (like you would strip ribbon wrapping a birthday present to make it curl) it curves the claws in nicely.

Oh, and it works!
 

riseform

Active Member
#73
Yes, you tie and fold the turkey feather segment exactly as they use the furry foam in that tutorial. Treat it with Tuffilm fixative to keep the fibers from fracturing when you fold it back upon itself. Obviously, you can't penetrate the eye of the hook and finish the tail like they do with the foam. I kept the tail long in my avatar, but cut it even with the top of the eye or the end will fray with use. Here's a couple views from a past swap. (My apologies to Mr Cheney for hijacking this thread.)

 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#75
Riseform, those mudbugs are quite amazing. I'm sure Mr. Cheney can appreciate the tying talent. Maybe he'll use one of those to keep from getting skunked the next time he closes a stretch of river.