Swap Fly Swaps Gone Bad

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by DLoop, Aug 9, 2004.

  1. Jerry Daschofsky

    Jerry Daschofsky Moderator Staff Member

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    I've done alot of swaps, more then I can count that I've particpated in, have hosted well over 30. I've only had maybe a handful end on time. I've heard every excuse in the book. I also do "countdown" emails to those who haven't sent them in yet. Some come to the final day saying "I just haven't had time". Well, when you think about it, if you have a dozen to tie. If you tied ONE a DAY before you went to bed, you'd have them done in just under two weeks. If you sat down for an hour or two (depending on your tying skills) you could have them all popped off at once. But too many just forget, and put it on a backburner (who hasn't). It's partially the swapmeister, but it's an even between swapmeister and particpant. Participant should bow out if they think they can't do it. A month overdue just isn't acceptable, though I've had swaps run that long. But I've ALWAYS asked for consensus with other tyers FIRST before just shutting them off. If they say "ok, we'll wait" then I'll give them time. But one extension is IT!!! One thing is though, how much time from startup until flies delivered was allowed? I've found you need at LEAST one month from time of posting to date of deliver to the swapmeister.

    Funniest thing of all. My worse offender was the board owner of a board I no longer frequent. Was late by a good month (and of course the others said OK because of who it was). Then, since he said he was going to be late by that much, two other guys decided to take their time too.

    I'm not really worried, nor ever was, about toe tags. Depends on the system you work it. My first thing to do is sort the flies when I get ALL the flies. I take the pic and document who's flies are who's. Then post the pic so everyone knows which fly belongs to who.

    Talking about swaps. I'm involved in two right now. Luckily, I'm just a participant. But my flies have DISAPPEARED! So I have a package of Dee Flies floating around in LaLa Land. I'm going to have to bite the bullet and retie them (ughhhhhhhh). This is when it really sucks.
     
  2. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    I'll be a name dropper. It is Madison_Angler. He seems to have disappeared,not to be found.

    jim
     
  3. BOBLAWLESS

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    Fortuna:

    Let's set the record straight on that last swap which I hosted. It was short of the number of flies needed to make things come out right. I dug into my own collection to make up the difference.

    Some guys sent no "handling fees" or even postage for that matter. Again, I hit my own wallet.

    To top it all off, my name is drug through the mud as some sort of scoundrel who charges exhorbitant handling fees. Those fees were set by McRowdy, long ago, before you joined this board, to cover those who didn't pay and if there was a buck or two left over for the swapmeister, then so be it. The guy has to sort everything out and then go to the post office, wait in line, and deal with one of the government's high and mighties. A drag to say the least.

    But to denigrate me for what I did seems most unjust and it will be the last chance anyone ever gets as my days a swapmeister are forever over.

    Bob, the Ain't this sumptin':reallymad
     
  4. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Kinda sensitive today aren't we? Reminds me of the immortal Bard: "The lady doth protest too much methinks."
     
  5. BOBLAWLESS

    BOBLAWLESS New Member

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    Well. I'm happy about this post as it gives me a chance to vent.

    "Am I befouled by mine own friend or a friend of mine own's friend?"

    Bob, the Disappointed:hmmm
     
  6. Dan Soltau

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    Sorry guys, i just picked up more stamps today. I always check that i have the right adresses though. I keep on thinking that i am going to get flies but they never come. So they should be in your box by the weeks end.

    You guys are kinda pushy today, I set a deadline a month and a half away, i received 3 sets of flies in that due date, and one after. So when I went to buy some stamps, which I spent 10 dollars on because only one person sent me some money (thankyou dloop) I had my bike stolen while at the post office. Later that day I lost my stamps to mail the flies while on the bus back home. I am goin to leave for the post office right now so you guys will get your flies the end of the week. :hmmm
     
  7. riverdog

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    Just to keep the record straight, the swapmaster I described in my post was not Madison_Angler. It was someone else. I wasn't involved in M_A's swap.

    R'Dog
     
  8. Dan Soltau

    Dan Soltau New Member

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    No offense, but what do you mean by I "disapeared"? I post on this forum every day almost. If you needed to reach me, email me or just post. Now the flies are out and will be there either tomorow or the next day.

    Lighten up guys, afterall arent we here and fishing for good ole times sake?
     
  9. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    >Lighten up guys, afterall arent we here and fishing for
    >good ole times sake?

    Yes and no.

    The message I hear loud and clear in this thread is that a number of guys got their flies in on time and then never heard back from the swapmeister. They shouldn't have to wonder weeks later what happened.

    IMHO, it's one thing to let a due date for a swap slide a day or two so stragglers can get their flies in on time. It's another thing entirely to be weeks late and end up being goaded into action by the guys who sent in flies weeks or months before.

    As Roper said, you can run your swap any way you want. But when I run mine, the deadline's the deadline. If flies aren't in by then, those guys aren't included in the swap. Period. It's more important to me that the flies that have arrived get sent out on time than everyone waiting for a tardy few.

    Fly swaps are an exercise in integrity - doing what you say you're gonna do when you say you're gonna do it. When that doesn't happen, people's expectations aren't met and some folks rightly get a little pissed.
     
  10. Dan Soltau

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    I agree fully and am taking blame for the fact that they were wondering where the flies were. And I am sorry for that and shouldve probably just sent the flies out. But I thought with only 3 peoples flies in at the time I should wait until at least half of them showed. But they never did and the flies are out in the mail at this point.
     
  11. LeakyTiki

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    Hi there,
    I have participated in 4 fly swaps and have bee very pleased with the results.

    I am right now in the middle of my first as a swapmiester and things have been fairly smooth so far.

    Fortuna makes some great points above in this thread:

    http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com...m=3&topic_id=75479&mesg_id=75479&page=1#75567

    I was in his damsel swap and must agree the SASE was a great idea.

    I have also been in swaps run by Ron Eagle Elk and those have gone without a hitch as well.

    Bottom line, I think the Meister has the responsibility to update and remind folks, set a firm deadline, and stick to it.


    Peace and GO DAWGS,
    LT
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  12. Stephen Rice

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    Hang on Daddy-o you didn't get any money from me I could have sworn I put cash in there??? if I didn't send any money let me know and I will send some in the mail. and those others who didn't send in there fly's to heck with them. and sorry you got your bike stolen ! what a bummer day that was! I can sympathize with you I have ADD and probably would have forgot I was even the swapmeister(LOL)
     
  13. riverdog

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    Leaky, I saw how you ran your swap (and Ron as well) and I wished I had joined them both. THAT is how the swaps should go--lots of up-to-date communication.

    This thread has given me hope that the awareness levels of all those involved in swaps is higher, and that people will be more likely to give their best from now on.

    I am contemplating a swap of my own in the next few weeks. Details to follow.

    Riverdog
     
  14. Dan Soltau

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    I also have to compliment ron eagly elk on that swap. Lots of upt o date info and stuff. SO i think I am retiring form the swapmeister buisinuss and let other handle it.
    Dont worry about it nwflyfisher, think of it as payment for them being late and you turning yours in. It should be the people who didnt send their flies who should send money.
    I wouldnt have been so mad about my except its my only mode of transportation as I dont have liscense until january.
     
  15. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    So first things first, I'm one of the guilty parties in this swap. Without making excuses, this was my first swap, and I seriously over-committed myself. Between fixing up an old house for rental and moving, my whole life has been topsy turvey. Even so, any flak that I take I certainly deserve. But what I can say is that if I get the mailing addresses of each of the involved parties for the swap, that they will recieve the beadheaded olive, deep sparkle emerger as promised. If this doesn't work out, then the swap coordinator is going to end up with a dozen of these things that he can do with what he wants. Since this is a public forum I figured that if I don't deliver, I'll end up getting flamed so hard that I won't be able to type with the crispy ends of my fingers for a long time....