Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by KEM, Feb 3, 2010.
Dude bull trout taste like shit
know the source?? so you folks are already assuming that wild steelhead are extinct on the queets, hoh and quilleyte systems, interesting, what yah got to back that up?
who is the vendor at Pike Place market?
Man that is a fine point Nathe. I never really thought about it like that but I bet in aggregate, fly fisherman would pony up whatever their take is at $7 a pound in exchange for the nets to be pulled.
I know there is no logic to this thought but I would gladly shell out my share if it meant the rivers were going to be blowing up with both hatchery and wild fish.
Here is one of them:
That pic just KILLS me.
We did a round of this last year with a chef out east (http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com...-COMING-SOON!!!?highlight=wild+steelhead+chef). We need to get some of the orgs (CCA, WSC) behind this to keep steelhead off the menu.
Again, nobody has any info about where these fish cam from. They could be clipped fish that were collected straight out of the hatchery for all we know. The term "wild" has a very different meaning in the culinary world than what "wild" means in fishing regs and angler terms.
Plecoptera, although a possibility do you think that it is likely they are supplying vendors with fish from their hatchery racks? And the gill net floats are just for decorations on the river? Even if they are hatchery fish harvest of such fish is non-selective by way of gill nets. Wild fish die in those nets too.
Not that I am opposed to more information about the source, the more info the better, but to assume they are from the hatchery racks I think is a bit far...
I never assumed they were from a hatchery rack. Just used that as a radical scenario for a possible source of these fish. They could come from from anywhere...the point is that nobody knows for sure. I am just suggesting that we find out where these fish came from before people get their panties in a bunch and start bad mouthing this place.
I don't understand why seeing these fish in the market serves to anger people more than the sight of nets in the rivers. We know fish are being caught, killed and sold. Where would yall rather them end up? Japan?
It it just the fact that a local institution is supporting them?
we all just may be getting to the point where the 'entitlement' the tribes seem to believe they have to kill whatever, whenever is no longer plaiying. maybe WA should follow the example the folks in OR started by begnning the process for an iniatative petition, to whit; selective harvest methods become the law and possession, transport of wild fish for sale is not longer legal in this state.
has the time come or do we need to continue wringing our hands about boldt and treaties?
It is more effective to just tell them why you are not buying and are telling others not to buy than it is writing and whining about it. Yes, the tribes can net and sell both wild and hatchery steelhead. Yes, it is legal to buy and sell them. Yes, I think it sucks too. But, if there is no market, then there is no reason to catch them. Be aware these same fish are likely on the buffet line at tribal casinos. IMO< public opinion is the only real tool we have here.
I was going to suggest that we are such a minority in caring about this issue that there is no way we could impact demand via public opinion, but there really seems to be quite a movement going on in the world of sustainable sushi. I've never heard of steelhead being consumed as sushi but at least people are starting to listen. Then again, the harvest of a hatchery raised fish with no evidence that it negatively impacts the wild population (it seems obvious that it does - but is there any evidence?) would probably fit right into what these people consider to be sustainable.
Edit: and upon further review, one of the pioneers of sustainable sushi, Chef Hajime of West Seattle's Mashiko has Steelhead on his shortlist of sustainable fish.
I have dined with Chef Hajime on several occasions by the way and I think he is a good dude and I support what he is doing. I will take up the Steelhead issue with him next time I am in there.
Citori, how do you think the public becomes informed? I see no problem with these threads on this forum. There are plenty even in the fly-fishing community who dont know very much about this issue. You suggest we stop writing about it but how else do we get organized and let other board members know where these institutions are? This is simply sharing ideas and spreading info about the plethora of places that sell steelhead either in their restaurant or store.
Pike Place Fish Market obviously doesn't give a shit. I emailed them explaining the reasons why they shouldn't be selling wild steelhead and the only response they could come up with was "Thank you for your email".