FYI: Boat-ban suggested for Klickitat, Hoh, other rivers

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  1. Evan Burck

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    From talking to some biologists I fish with, anglers trampling redds is typically not much of an issue, even in high traffic areas. Not saying we should be careless, but they say the weight of the average human isn't enough to really do damage to a redd in most situations. Just what I've been told, I have little else to back that up.
     
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    I'm cool with boats on the duc.

    There's a ton of no boat water on the bogi hoh and calawah - just have to do some hiking.

    Counted 22 boats on the lower hoh last year in 6 hours. I think limiting the number of guides would be a better option for most those rivers.
     
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    That would be a good step in my opinion, though tough to enforce. Those that get pushed out will resort to "taking buddies fishing." the same buddies who like to pitch in $400 for the gas and shuttle.

    I'd like to see at least a few of our rivers managed as quality fisheries. Right now, WDFW doesn't seem to care about that as far as fish go. There are plenty of quality hunt areas... Why not a quality fishery?
     
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    Love it.
     
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    Those sections that are affected by the proposed closures see very little boat traffic. I live on the sol duc just below bear creek and I see maybe two or three boats a day go down there and only when flows are optimal. I agree with the Bogi and the Hoh.
    I am tired of seeing people casting their bobbers at the flags that the tribe marks as reds. I would rather see them close it at the end of march instead of april. I saw fish spawning on the sol duc around the first of June this year.
     
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    Excellant.The Thompson River was regulated as such alledgedly due to B.R.and his ilk hammering Steelhead at Spences Bridge-I understand they were hotshotting.No-one seems to have suffered.Boats are still used on the Thompson-you are just not supposed to fish out of them and have to stand on shore [or sit in a chair if you wish].
    A fair amount of shuttling goes on from Spences Bridge.I have a couple of jet boats and wouldn't mind if there was a boat ban on such quality rivers
     
  7. freestoneangler

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    We definitely need more regulations -- the WA fisheries pamphlet is borderline anemic as it is currently written. :rolleyes:

    Sorry, just had to get that out -- Ira's to blame as he primed the pump. I agree that some rivers (or sections of rivers) might be better off not allowing fishing from floating craft. The Deschutes is managed this way and it works. As has been noted, fishing from boats allows natural holding spots to simply get hammered. While they may still be accessible from shore or wading, the pressure would be significantly reduced. With increasing pressure on these systems, changes like this are inevitable.
     
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    I'll play devil's advocate on this issue.

    While we squander the remaining resource and allow large impacts go unchecked such as non compliant fish screens, perched culverts, diking, fish blockages, unregulated guiding and a host of other problems, we continue bickering among ourselves on such issues as two-rod endorsements, fishing out of boats, fish allocation and wild steelhead retention, among others.

    We don't need more government, rules, and regulations in our fishing. We need to address the bigger problems that are actually impacting the fish populations.

    I fish out of a pontoon boat, often anchoring because I have a really good boat for doing it. While it wouldn't necessarily bother me to get out and fish from the bank, I would prefer to keep that option open to me. If it resolves a social issue, that is one thing. But studies show that harvest, let alone catch and release steelhead fishing is not the limiting factor to recovery. While I understand we need to implement actions that will aid recovery of wild steelhead, adopting rules that prohibit angling from boats would be pretty futile in recovery efforts.

    Think about all of the already crowded spring-time steelhead fisheries and what it would be like if there was no angling from boats. You will be crowding all the anglers in a handful of rivers onto gravel bars that already have too much traffic as it is. You'd have to setup a number system like you see at the Department of Motor Vehicles just to get a chance to fish through a run.

    If WDFW, NOAA Fish, USFWS, and the tribes want to get serious about wild steelhead recovery, there are dozens of actions that will have a greater affect than to prohibit fishing out of boats.

    I'll start a list:

    Prohibit the harvest and selling of wild fish statewide
    Remove all bag limits of exotic fish in the Columbia (bass,walleye, etc.)
    Enforce HPA permits
    Monitor and enforce activities that are found to be non-compliant
    Prohibit bait in streams year round.
    Implement a guiding program that limits guides and waters that can be fished
    Increase license fees
    Implement a statewide steelhead tag (like what is required for the Columbia)
    Ensure hatchery reform recommendations are being implemented
    Mark all hatchery steelhead
    Review ESA take permits
    All fisheries statewide must be selective (selective in that unmarked fish must be returned alive to the water)

    As you scroll down the list (there are many more) the pressures of society make most of these options nonviable. But again, if folks want to get serious about recovery, drastic measures must take place. And I'm extremely pessimistic that we have the wherewithal to make those changes. So, we will continue to gradually slide downhill to extirpation while we argue about something as trivial as fishing out of a boat.
     
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    I Think this would take a lot of opportunities away from fishermen, increase crowds in accessible spots, and do little to benefit the fish.

    There needs to be a way to separate the men from the boys in the guide community. For as backwards and bureaucratic as ts state is, why is guiding like the wild west? Guides should be required to carry insurance, be licensed, have basic first aid and pay taxes like the rest of us. Every idiot with a drift boat is a "guide" around here. There are too many who are just in it to make a buck and their actions show that they have nothhing vested in the long term success of these fisheries.

    You want to solve the problem? Figure out a way to grant the "autonomous" nations the autonomy they proclaim to already have.
     
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    "In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”
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    The Thompson is an excellent example. No fishing from boats and look at how that run has rebounded... Bwahahaha! Sorry, I know.... It's not funny at all. The numbers are in the toilet and we continue to dance around the issues that really affect our fisheries.

    So, ban angling from boats if it makes you feel better. Or just stop fishing for them. Not fishing for them at all would lead to the biggest impact. Because without fishermen as the fishes advocate they stand no chance. Do you really think anyone who buys steelhead at The Market really gives a crap whether or not WE have a season?

    Get out of your boat if you feel likes that's what is best for the fish.

    It's like an alcoholic giving up whiskey yet still drinking beer and wine. The liver ain't getting any better.
     
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    +1 for BDD's post!
     
  13. david.schepers

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    Its weird how many of your complain day in and day out about the declining steelhead populations. Yet, when a decision is made that may help this problem you bitch. Why? Who said this was “the” answer? It’s an answer that may help. A step in the right direction.
     
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    I just skimmed through the proposal and on the penisula rivers the rule would be from feb. 1st to november 30th, on the Sol Duc from the hatchery to the bridge above KLahowa, the Bogey from 101 upstream to the park, the calawah from 101 to the confuence and the Hoh from Morgans crossing to the park. While I think you will still get alot of kick back from boat anglers, there is still plenty of water for them to fish and their hatchery fishery is still intact. It seems reasonable to me, but I rarely fish from a boat in those rivers.
     
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    Well that's some important information. Thanks for taking the time to actually read it.