Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by casaboba, Apr 11, 2011.
i think if you spoke spanish i would understand you better... and i don't understand spanish.
I haven't been following this thread for a few days, wow, what a kick. I wonder why I don't see all of those day labor guys standing around the Home Depot in West Seattle? Oh, yeah, I forgot, the Southwest Precinct for the Seattle Police Dept. is right there.
Sheep, wolves, and sheep dogs: yeah, but there are also guard dogs and that's me.
Legalize drugs and the users will behave themselves...yeah, the drunks always do, don't they? They don't kill people driving, never get into fights, don't destroy their bodies, don't beat their spouses or partners. And the kids, oh yeah, the unplanned pregnancies that are tracked to substance use, hey, the kids do fine with their parents' use of substance abuses. And the loaded parents are so interested in their kids. Ever worked in a treatment center? Do you really know anything about addictions at all? I do, worked in the field for many years, clients were multi-millionaires to homeless street addicts, airline pilots to day laborers and one hell of a lot of veterans. Oh, brother, okay go ahead legalize dope, just don't say "Nobody told me it would be bad." I love our way of thinking that taking the easy road is the solution and then wondering why things turn to shit. By the way, meth will fade as the primary problem and heroin or other opiate-like substance will take its place for 10-15 years and then crack or meth or some other mood accelerant will return. Check some of the research on the cyclic patterns of addictive drugs. Nicotine and alcohol, by the way, are one constant and are still the most deadly for those who care to use them and have been for many, many years. Ah, yes, and they are legal. Don't you miss the old days when they were legal tender? Wait a minute, wasn't moonshine made in similar manners to meth, in backyard stills in areas that alcohol was prohibited? Oh. But booze isn't a problem in our society, is it? Go to an emergency room on almost any night or take a ride along with a cop. Check it out.
Anyway, this country is adrift and the boat is sinking. I'm glad I'm not in my 30's.
There are various kinds of "predators." I'll continue to tailor my "insurance policy" to the potential threat.
Well within the realm of possibility. Re: "outgunned" . . . this I doubt . . . I WILL defend me/mine/yours & I DO spend a lot of time behind a trigger (actually, "many" triggers."). I'll go where I want, when I want to. There's an old Montana cowboy saying . . . "Mess with the wrong bull & you'll get the horn." And to think folks on this board have questioned why folks "carry." Times have changed. If a few of those asshats got shot, perhaps they'd reconsider their vocation . . . just sayin' . . .
Or written English
You're always good for a laugh.
If I used a porn reference regarding Barry's wife or called him a dumb turd would that be acceptable in your tiny world?
I think you need to buy yourself a subaru or Prius, sell or give away all of your firearms ( to me ) , listen to NPR and drink a double organic carbon neutral latte.
All will be well ; )
You can always count on me to keep things classy
You are a true friend. Thanks for the intervention, Tom. Let's see . . . Subaru . . . Prius . . . no guns (they are evil, don't you know, 'specially the "black" ones) . . . NPR . . . and a passive, emasculating, politically-correct latte versus a "built" Wrangler/any 4X4 . . . fine firearms (in particular sweet 20 & 28-gauge shotties and <MOA-accurate centerfires plus a "few" classic handguns), real tunes, and strong libations. Okay . . . thought about it. Decided on: Jeep, more guns (love the new "suppressor law" . . . .22LR, .223, & .308 seem like appropriate designations), old-time R&R/country, smooooth whiskey (and that ain't hardly enough "o's" to describe such exotic nectar) & the same 63-year-old attitude that has kept me both alive & young since 1948. Yup, that'll work. Oh, and beer on my Cheerios. I'll likely also continue to be accompanied by athletic, fit, strong, & talented hunting dogs. Let's go fishing before my pup arrives.
Gangs in rural Grant County? The rest of the story . . .
WTF happened to the rest of my post, he asked? In summary . . . "Attack, always attack."
I have a feeling that even if they do read English, they'll still be honest in saying "me no understand."
Zetas Cartel leader grew up in Yakima.
Man arrested as Mexico cartel leader once lived in Yakima County
A man who Mexican authorities say is a leader in a violent drug cartel responsible for the deaths of more than 200 people once lived in Yakima County in the Tieton area, friends and acquaintances said Tuesday.
By Mark Morey and David Lester
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Martin Omar Estrada Luna, alias "El Kilo," was arrested Saturday.
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Martin Omar Estrada Luna, alias "El Kilo," was arrested Saturday.
YAKIMA — A man who Mexican authorities say is a leader in a violent drug cartel responsible for the deaths of more than 200 people once lived in Yakima County in the Tieton area, friends and acquaintances said Tuesday.
The man, identified as 34-year-old Martin Omar Estrada Luna, was arrested Saturday by the Mexican navy. Several other suspected members of Los Zetas drug cartel also were arrested.
Friends and acquaintances in the Yakima Valley say the man who was paraded before the Mexican media Sunday had plenty of run-ins with authorities here before being deported.
They and local law-enforcement officials said Tuesday the Estrada they knew was headed for trouble at a young age. He dropped out of school and took up a life of crime.
"Martin made his own choices. He went where the streets took him," said a close boyhood friend who works in Yakima and asked not to be identified.
"A career criminal"
Tieton Police Chief Jeff Ketchum said he has known Estrada since Ketchum started working for the Police Department in 1994, about a year after Estrada started racking up his first criminal charges in juvenile court.
"I would label Martin as a career criminal. He got away with a lot of stuff. He got named in a lot of stuff, but you could never pin it on him," Ketchum said.
Mexican authorities arrested Estrada in a house Saturday in Ciudad Victoria, the capital of the state of Tamaulipas in northeastern Mexico. But acquaintances and police officials question whether Estrada could have risen to a post as high in the cartel as Mexican authorities allege.
Mexican authorities, who put up a $1.2 million bounty for his arrest, said Estrada was one of the leaders of the Zetas' San Fernando cell, which they blame for killing more than 200 people found in mass graves in Tamaulipas.
Authorities there began uncovering bodies in mass graves in early April after reports that passengers were being pulled off buses at gunpoint in the township of San Fernando.
There has been speculation that the Zetas gang was forcibly recruiting extra members for its fight against the rival Gulf cartel over access to key drug-trafficking routes into the United States.
As of last week, 145 bodies had been found in 26 graves. San Fernando is the same place where 72 Central and South American migrants were found slaughtered last August.
It was unclear when Estrada, who was last deported in 2009, would have built such strong ties to one of Mexico's leading drug gangs.
"I can't see it, but who knows? I don't know what the investigation part of it established," Ketchum said.
Local records show Estrada falling into the gang life instead of making it to school with any regularity.
Acquaintances said he left the Highland School District well before he would have graduated in 1995. That year, he pleaded guilty to second-degree burglary in connection with the theft of a Ford Taurus from the district.
Ketchum said Estrada openly admitted to being a gang member, and court records show "El Kilo" as his nickname in the 1990s. The friend said Estrada picked up the nickname from a fragment of a lyric in a rap song by the late rapper Eazy-E.
Besides the burglary charge, his adult felony convictions in Yakima County involved a burglary and brandishing a knife in Tieton.
When he was sentenced in 2006 for an immigration violation, federal prosecutors pointed out that he had amassed 16 felony and misdemeanor convictions.
Records show he has multiple aliases, including Estrada-Delamora, the name he was charged under in federal court.
"Mr. Estrada-Delamora has not learned how to live in society without preying on others," an assistant U.S. attorney wrote in a request for a higher sentence.
Estrada was ultimately sentenced to 41 months for returning to the United States a third time after being deported twice before.
Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) said Tuesday that he was deported in 2009 from Reno, Nev., after completing his sentence.
The ICE database shows no contact with Estrada since that deportation.
Family still in state
However, the friend of Estrada's said that the last time they had contact, Estrada was living in Laredo, Texas, just across the border from Nuevo Laredo.
The friend said he encouraged Estrada to be a good person and to reconnect with his young daughters, who live in the Yakima Valley.
Estrada's ex-wife, who also lives in the Yakima area, declined to comment Tuesday. Other relatives could not be reached or did not respond to messages.
Regardless of his history and the accusations against him, the friend said Estrada had another side to him.
"He was a nice guy. He would let you borrow money, his car or his clothes," the man said.
But he said Estrada always wanted to be a leader, not a follower.
Ketchum said he occasionally checked a MySpace account believed to be Estrada's. Pictures there show a heavily tattooed Estrada, consistent with the memories of Ketchum and a Yakima County sheriff's deputy who once arrested him.
Information from The Associated Press was included in this story.
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I propose we take 50 kilos of coke/meth/weed whatever they are in to and put it in a field right outside Yakima. spred the word that the last man standing gets it all. let them shoot it out for the drugs. when there is a last man standing I will be posted in a Gilli suit on a hillside about half a mile away with the 50cal. the winner will be in for a surprise. seriously though, these guys will never stop if they are associated with the cartels. shooting one of them will only make the problem worse for all. It will create more paranoia for these gun happy guys and that's just what we need is them thinking all of us are a threat. I grew up right outside of east Oakland and have to agree with Dustin, mind your business keep a friendly attitude, avoid eye contact if they are starring at you and just keep walking on, just like dogs they smell fear and will react on it. You will not win pulling a pistol on a group, I dont care how good you are you will end up dead these guys play for keeps. Ive bumped into bangers when heading out and a smile and nod worked for me. they feed off the word respect, unfortunately they have forgotten its meaning. Its a sad reality.
Wow.... sad but true, reality opens some eyes on both sides of this issue.
You guys do understand that this is all ruse to keep you guys away from my Yakima waters. We have to go to great extremes to do this. :beer1::beer1:
Instead of covering them up, they should deport them up here to Snoqualmie Ridge. I'll keep an eye on them, on my dime.