"GAS OUT" TUESDAY MAY 15

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  1. Citori

    Citori Piscatorial Engineer

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    I have no confidence the gas out will make a difference in any way. All the same, I will avoid buying gas on the 15th if I can. My son sent me an alternate suggestion - boycott one company, let their tanks fill up. In theory, this would precipitate a gas war to move their product, and the others would have to respond...Exxon/Shell was the one mentioned. I don't think that will make any difference either, but I am not to buy from them either.
     
  2. gt

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    sure, i sat in the gas lines in the 70s. that was a result of the saudi's oil embargo, if my memory serves me correctly. price controls certainly lead to other problems with supply. however, those issues would more than likely be illegal manipulation of the markets which could and would draw pretty big fire.

    raygun eliminated price controls as a part of his generic deregulation of almost all private industry. that is one of the significant reasons we all pay more for simple things like telephone service. it is also why we no longer have telephone repair service without substantial fees. the list is long but the philosophy of the conservative right carried the day back with raygun, so here we are today.

    the gas and oil industry continues to manipulate the pricing at the pump by simply taking refineries off line at critical times. this is done under the banner of 'maintenance'. i don't know another industry which reduces capacity at peak demand time. unless of course, the motive is obscene profit.

    gee, now what was the earning statement for the last several quarters?????

    was reading my newspapers this am and found this factoid:

    "Chevron refined 22% less oil in the U.S. during the first quarter of this year than in the same quarter of 2006 because of longer "planned maintenance" downtime and accidents. Yet its total profit on U.S. refining increased 66%. Making less gasoline, it made much more money."

    so you see, no competition and convenient maintenance schedules are leading to obscene profits. this is not supply and demand, it is corporate america screwing you and me on a daily basis.


    yep, we own a hybrid and drive it most of the time with the PU parked. but that does not change what is going on in our country or the root cause for the pricing we are seeing right now at the pump. supply and demand is a smoke and mirrors sort of arguement which simply don't float this boat.
     
  3. Davy

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    One thing, Hybrids may make financial sense for individuals, but green??? It was recently reported in the very green Portland Oregonian that the manufacture and the waste products from the making of those batteries did more harm to the ecology than the benefit from less oil product usage and less air quality emissions.
     
  4. gt

    gt Active Member

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    yur'right'on davy regarding the battery production. same set of concerns regarding photovoltic cells. but, for the time being, its the best we have. so the choice is do nothing or take a step. and we all know the definition of idiocy: doin' the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    carry on......
     
  5. Davy

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    my apoligies, didn't mean that to sound like it was directed "at you". I just meant to put that out there. Your right, about best we have now. :thumb: to you
     
  6. Flyborg

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    http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp

    The only solution is to use less gas in the long term. A day won't do a thing.

    Boycotting a single company will only cause retail prices to rise, as it will increase demand to the other companies, and those companies will have to buy fuel from Exxon to respond (a common practice in the gas biz.) Again, the only solution is to use less gas in the long term.
     
  7. gt

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    no worries, davy. it took your post as a point of information.
     
  8. 1morecast

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    Will a gas -out make a differance to the oil companies, whose profits have risen 40% ( Marathon Oil} up to 75% { Exxon } LAST QUARTER,I doubt it. Remember this has taken place during a so called "shortage". Hell, we are in another drought year here in Montana. I sure hope my local water company doesn't raise their prices on water, "to meet supply and demand". All I can hope for is that this action will get this administration to listen, to us THE PEOPLE.:beathead:
     
  9. King Wind Knot

    King Wind Knot Rebel, Truth Seeker

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    I'm going to go along with it, but I've had the same questions as to why it would work if it does, but I like to see people acting collectively so that it can be noted by the oil companies. I can't see any harm in adding my voice to that of others to say a collective "this sucks." The current price of gasoline does go to show the need for a solution to the world's fossil fuel dependence and encourage us to consider the gasoline we use. When gas is more expensive, I tend to plan my errands a little better and try to not be so heavy on the gas pedal. I am vowing to myself to keep this up even if gas prices reduce. I say go along with the "gas out," but more why don't we all take stock of our impact individually and try to make just one small adjustment to reduce our gas usage, or everybody just air up their tires to appropriate level to increase efficiency. That would be worthwhile.
     
  10. Jay Thacker

    Jay Thacker Here fishy, fishy, fishy

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    I will be sure to eat a few more beans tonight. So I can "GAS OUT" tomarrow.:D
     
  11. Bill Dodd

    Bill Dodd Bill's in a time out.

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    iagree iagree iagree iagree
    Gas prices won't slow down my fishing. I have already drove over 4200 miles in 2007 fishing and thats just the start, Maybe a few less dinners out and such, But cut back on fishing THATS NOT GOING TO BE HAPPENING..!!!!

    Bill

     
  12. tythetier

    tythetier Fish Slayer

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    NOW FROM WHAT I GOT, THE HIGH PRICES ARE BECAUSE OF THE ENTIRE SUPPLY AND DEMAND THING (THATS WHAT THEY SAY). SO WHY ISNT CRAP GOING DOWN LIKE IT DID BACK IN THE 70'S WITH THE WHOLE GAS SHORTAGE THING?? YOU COULD ONLY BUY GAS MONDAY AND FRIDAY IF YOUR LAST NUMBER ON YOUR LICENSE PLATE WAS EVEN. YADA YADA YADA, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

    I AM YOUNG, WHEN I FIRST STARTED DRIVING I SAID I WOULD STOP WHEN IT HIT $1.75.

    WHAT THE HELL DO I KNOW??

    TY
     
  13. gt

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    Supply and Demand, the formula:


    - Demand, remains relatively constant but spikes during predictable seasonal periods.

    - Cut the supply while demand remains constant over time.


    presto, obscene profits. the gas and oil industry has this game down cold.
     
  14. Cactus

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    If not in April and May, when exactly should the refineries shut down for maintenance? January?

    Well, if the oil companies are manipulating prices, they aren't very good at it! What happened in 1999 when oil was selling for $12/barrel and the oil companies were losing billions? Why didn't they just do a "little refinery maintenance"?

    As a 10 year average, Chevron made a 12.1% profit while Starbucks made 23.6%!:eek: That does it, I'm not buying any coffee tomorrow! (Hey Davy, is that why you're skipping your latte?)

    Sorry to disrupt your screwing by "corporate america" but it is nothing but supply and demand. The fact that Chevron made more money by refining less is to be expected; high demand combined with lower production equals higher prices. Maintenance is usually planned well in advance and with the increased production caused by the higher demand since 2004, I would expect that Chevron may have under-maintained their refineries in 2006 hoping for a drop off of demand somewhat in 2007 and to maximize profit in 2005 and 2006.

    Most major news organizations and all governmental agencies have looked into any manipulation of the oil market and have found none. Even our own Maria Cantwell has looked into it and failed to find collusion. If you can't trust Maria, who can you trust!:confused:
     
  15. Davy

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    just by chance , I won't be fueling tomorrow, the boat is full and the truck too, funny how that works out, but with a run down the Multnomah channel tomorrow the Wednesday fuel bill be bastardly for sure.