Giving up

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by mpirak, Jan 20, 2010.

  1. James Waggoner

    James Waggoner Active Member

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    I too agree, the line/rod combo isn't right. 600grn skagit and 15' versitips doesn't sound novice friendly at all. If you're truely at your wits end and have nothing to loose try this....Shorten the head 4' to about 520grns, either cut back your rio tip (type 3) to 12' or just use a 8' of t'14, 4-5' of leader and a size 4 fly (Hook cut off or not, your choice), get on the river with a friend, talk yourself through the steps of the cast and practice. Don't even worry about shooting line until you are consistently casting out nice short casts. Work one cast until you got it down, perhaps, assuming your a right handed caster, the Double Spey for river right, and the C spey for river left.

    hang in there,

    James.
     
  2. stewart dee

    stewart dee Guest

    Try casting off your other hand for a few months.
     
  3. golfman65

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    I gotta ask.....is this for real? How in the heck can you be doing something for three years and NOT get it?

    I've seen some bad casters in my time but don't think I've ever seen anyone who put any amount of time in on a river not pick up enough to at least cast out to 80' ...

    Just wondering...???
     
  4. doublespey

    doublespey Steelhead-a-holic

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    I'm still wondering if this was just an entertaining troll since he hasn't posted any followup information. :confused:
     
  5. mpirak

    mpirak Member

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    yea,this is for real, and no it's not a troll.
    I've been SH fly fishing for six years, I'm no Lefty Kreh, but I can get it done.
    Obviously I'm frustrated, otherwise I wouldn't be asking for others opinions. I'd love to pitch in the word series, but hey, I know it's not going to happen no matter how much I practice; and how more simple can it be than to throw a ball.
    My original question was that since I'm not getting anywhere in getting spey casting down, what are others thoughts about using a switch rod and making a spey like move to reposition the line, and go into a DH overhead.
    What do you think?

    Mark
     
  6. miyawaki

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    You can do that with a 9' single-handed rod.

    Leland.
     
  7. stewart dee

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    I hate to say it. I think your ready to go back to the other side.


    You can do it.
     
  8. mpirak

    mpirak Member

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    Go over to the dark side? So much for being a spey jedi.
    A big reason I'm interested in DH casting is that I have a chronic elbow problem and a day of DH (even if poorly done) is lots less taxing on the joint.
     
  9. stewart dee

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    Are you wading to deep? Have you made an attempt to cast from your other side? Some people have trouble with a Skagit style line (I believe they only work with true Skagit rods). A simple long line with a moderate belly (like a windcutter) could be something to try, so people enjoy them. Its seems like you have worked with the best, Mike K. and could just be two handed challenged and that's OK. I still suck and have more time in than you. A level of confidence plateaus and you will reach the next step, just remember your limitations of your rod, and not your limitations. It seems everyone new in the game is caught up in the pictures and movies, etc.you have seen the killer 140' laser loop. As long as you realize your not going to punch out 120' lasers with every cast ,be happy if you can control 60' lengths of line. My 2 cents for what its worth. Just remember we all went through it and your special that's all.lol Just kidding- the dark side is waiting.
     
  10. docstash

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    24 replies now and we have learned--
    1. switch is harder than a longer rod. In fact any cast you make with a single hander can be made with a 2 hander as the rod gets shorter the accuracy of the anchor gets a bit more exacting.
    2. Not sure your teachers have taught you anything and have no clue as to why not.
    3. Your rod and line set up is wrong. Not sure why a teacher has not corrected this, first to match what they think it should be, and second to match what you need to learn. From what was said earlier and from line/rod specs from Rio and Airflo your rod works best with 580 to 640, as the total for skagit head including tip, and you are over 700 right now.
    4. It may be possible that you just can not learn, like Fred I find that hard to believe.

    Craig
     
  11. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    Don't give up.
    Give yourself permission to suck at this for a while.
    how many actual fishing/casting days have you put in during those three years?

    Good, focused practice is essential to develop good casting habits.
    pardon my dumassity, where's Stanwood?
     
  12. Panhandle

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    The solution to your problem is responded to in the first page and reiterated in the last few posts here. So...... I'm not sure why you think your question hasn't been answered?????????????? That is unless your comprehension skills are as poor as you casting issues.
     
  13. Jmills81

    Jmills81 The Dude Abides

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    1. Get "skagit master" dvd

    2. Go get lessons from mike kenney

    3. Make it out to the red shed next fall...

    Keep going...
     
  14. Steve Saville

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    Well, you aren't alone. I have been "learning" to spey cast for several years and I still suck at it. I keep trying, though and with a little help and concentration, I'm getting better. I'd recommend you get ahold of a DVD entitked Rio's Modern Spey Casting. It is done mostly by Simon Gawesworth with help from several others and covers Spey casting and Switch Rod casting. There's a huge difference in the arm angle and lower hand movements. The basics are covered very well with plenty of explanantion. I've watched it several times and have been able to diagnose a lot of faults in my casting. Whether that evolves into better casting remains to be seen. You should be able to get it at a library or you can buy it for about $50. It's three DVDs and takes several hours to go through it but the basics are to get the single Sey cast down first and then go from there.
     
  15. mpirak

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    Thanks for all the helpful suggestions and other comments.

    Stanwood is about 50 miles north of Seattle.