Guiding Not Permitted?

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  1. nomlasder

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  2. Chris Johnson

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  3. Vipp

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    Maybe, you should have actually taken the time to get know this American fellow who bought a house in Spences Bridge. Maybe spent some time at the fore mentioned house, and actually see for yourself what is going on there. If you had, you would found out first hand that nothing shady is going on. Most importantly, you would come to realize this fellow from the States is one of the most impressive individuals that one could have the good fortune of meeting. It is rare to meet an individual who is as accomplished at not only angling but everything he does. It is even rarer to come across an individual this accomplished who achieves even greater levels as far a being a great human being. Nobody is perfect, he maybe a bit too generous. His generosity maybe the reason that you have your suspicions. Nobody is actually like that generous. In this case, he is actually that generous, and yes he is that good of a person. If only all our neighbors including those to the South could be like this fellow. He has never asked anything in return for his generosity. Of those staying at the house, there are only a few requirements which are nonnegotiable. Respect the house, clean up after yourself. To the best of your ability, be respectful of the feelings, beliefs and opinions of the other guest of the house. Respect the possessions and property of others. Lastly, don't be a tool !!! You might have trouble with last one. Sadly, it is far too obvious that you did not take the time before you typed out that innuendo laced shite of a post. Really, you are talking unsubstantiated shite about this fellow from the States for being generous, for being good and decent person. If you had actually taken the time you would already know this. A suggestion, you should man up a bit. Confront people face to face, before you post shite like that. Other wise people might get the wrong idea that you are some kind of weasel ! Vipp.
     
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    Yammy,
    What about that “American guy” who bought a house in Spence’s Bridge? I happen to be one of those “friends” who rotates thru and let me tell you something, that’s no illegal guiding operation, that place is the “spey angling club”. It’s a brotherhood of amazing friends & anglers ( both Canadian and Americans alike ) who have been fishing there together for years. All are welcome, and as the Vipp pointed out, you need only be courteous of others who happen to be staying at the house, respect everyone’s opinions, clean up after yourself, and above all else, leave a cool fly on the wall as an offering. As for the owner, he is hands down the nicest man in the sport of fly fishing. I first met that “American guy” at the Log Cabin Pub. I had been living out of a wall tent with a bunch of buddies at the Grease Hole for a few weeks and like we did every night, we found ourselves warming our outsides AND insides at the Log Cabin Pub ( Owned by Spences Bridge locals who happen to be extremely close friends of ours and that “American guy” ). I happened to be sitting at the bar next to that “American guy” and he asked me if I had been fishing, we spent the rest of the night sharing stories of fish and mutual friends over MANY beers ( a few of the many THOUSANDS of American dollars we have spent in that LOCAL establishment ). When it was all said and done, he said, “if you ever need a place to stay, let me know, I just bought this place for me and my close fishing buddy’s to hang out while were here fishing together, your welcome to stay anytime”. Well, lots of people throw out invitations like that and I often take them with a bit of a grain of salt, but about a year or so later I was heading up to fish the T, it was December and I only had the weekend to fish so I wasn’t too stoked about camping which I had historically done because I didn’t have a lot of money to hotel it. I called that “American guy” up to see if by chance he was going to be up there and if he would mind if I threw my “rack” out on his floor. He said he wasn’t, but that I should go see Laurie at the pub who had a spare key. He then said, get that key, have one made for yourself and don’t ever ask me again if I can stay there and that I was always welcome. That “American guy” is now one of my best friends and favorite people in this world. He has done more for the sport of fishing and conservation of fisheries than most people I know and he is a damn good man. Money isn’t a huge concern for him and he sure as hell doesn’t need to run an illegal guide operation to keep himself fed. As for turning that fishery into a limited fishing opportunity for non-residents ( 5-7 days annually ). That river and the town of Spences Bridge need ALL the friends they can get right now, because if haven’t you noticed, that run is in the proverbial toilet and it’s not as a result of sport fishing or pressure on the river. It IS as a result of in river net fishery for the chums down in the Fraser and the water rights issues up the Nicola valley, both of which are way bigger issues than just you or I. So Yammy, before you comment on something which you have absolutely no knowledge, you ought to educate yourself on the subject. And, if you are going to call someone out openly on a public forum, you ought to use your real or full name so everyone knows who you are. Which is the problem with forums, it give assholes instant credibility with zero accountability, in other words, quit hiding behind a moniker and give us your real name if you are going to talk smack about others.

    Chris Andersen
     
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  5. golfman65

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    Well said gentleman!!
     
  6. kjsteelhead

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    Some of the rivers in the Skeena and Nass system have rod-day quotas on guides. While watching the Methow explode with guides all up and down the river over the past few years, dodging a bazillion boats and rafts on the Hoh recently, as well as listening to some horror stories of over-competitive guides on the Grande Ronde, I really appreciate the lack of crowds up north. After fishing a semi-famous tributary of the Nass, I also appreciate the rod quota for the fact that it's rare to be able to fish where there is no trash and it all looks the as pristine as the first day I set foot in the river. Maybe rod quotas on some of our rivers rather than shutting them down entirely might not be such a bad idea.
     
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    I just wish Washington would reciprocate and charge non-resident aliens the BC prices for river and salt water fishing in our state. I guess Washington doesn't think too highly of its resource.
     
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    That's something you won't hear much debate about
     
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  9. golfman65

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    maybe you get what you pay for in WA. Jim? Can fish b.c. year round for the most part for steelhead...can go to Oregon and pay $135 for a license..(about the same as i pay in b.c.for my license and steelhead tag) and fish year round for the most part...

    It would be interesting to see if WA. took the same road and actually used the money for enhancement and restoration of our rivers...god forbid if we told out of state guides to find somewhere else to fish on weekends and let residents in....
     
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    Bang on Golfman65!.....I wonder why I fish in Washington
     
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    I bought my first ever BC license this year. Now to figure out where to use the damn thing.... I was actually at the Fraser clave last weekend, but failed to meet you while I was there.
     
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    The other day a guide pulled in to the take out just as we were loading our boat on the trailer. He was so wasted that he fell out of his boat wearing hippers, soaking himself. A little while later he talked me into backing his trailer down the ramp to retrieve his boat claiming to be too drunk to do it. Apparently he "cooned em' real good". Good for him. There definitely seems to be a lack of professionalism out there, coupled with a complete lack of respect for the resource.
     
  13. kamishak steve

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    What are you guys talking about??? BC has it figured out!!!!

    These regulations are meant to benefit your everyday local resident angler, NOT GUIDES, and certainly not the out of province fishermen that come from washington oregon california, etc, that stay in RVs in public parks, don't use guides, don't stay in hotels, bring their own food, booze, etc, don't contribute much to the economy besides the occasional gas up, and exploit a very delicate and precious resource: the last great steelhead fishery on earth.

    Proposed regulation changes include:
    Saturday (and some sunday) closures for most of the more popular fisheries closer to towns to non resident anglers in an effort to allow residents the chance to fish.
    Some Class 2 rivers will be Class 1
    Extension of the season for mandatory steelhead stamp for some fisheries

    Rod days:
    The number of guides on those rivers is already restricted. Every quality river system in BC has something called Rod Days. There are a finite number of these issued each year which can be bought and sold between guides, but can only be held by licensed outfitters, and they regulate the number of days that ALL GUIDES TOTAL can spend on any given watershed. The number of these days are chosen based on the carrying capactiy of each particular river.
    You only need to go to the OP in feb-April to see how too many guides can over run a fishery. Or, coincidentally, where I guide in Alaska, where throwing a beer bottle out of a float plane flying anywhere over KNP is nearly guaranteed to hit a fishing guide yelling "MEND UPSTREAM, - NO, YOUR OTHER 'UPSTREAM' !!!"
    For residents of BC, you buy a classified waters license in addition to your existing license, which allows you to fish all the special rivers in the province for the rest of the year without special tags. Non-residents pay a daily fee for each day they go on these rivers. This is not a new regulation, but some of these fisheries are going from class 2 to class 1 (more expensive per diem license cost for non-resident anglers), and more fisheries extending the period where a steelhead stamp is mandatory. While much of this revenue generated by increased fees will go to enhancement, or watershed conservation, it is more used as a deterrent for non-resident steelhead bums. I know it sucks for us Washington residents, but for BC, its fisheries and its anglers, it makes a lot more sense.
     
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    What about the American guy who buy's a house in Spences Bridge and has an amazing number of "freinds" rotate thru during the short THOMPSON season.I think there should be a limited number of days that foreigners can fish on classified waters and it should be monitored by confiscating boats/trucks and gear if broken.The days should be consecutive days and you get one shot--say 5-7 days
    This has become an industry on the Thompson as well as the \Bulkely and should stop​
    Americans , and other NRA`s , are the least of the problems the Thompson faces .


    TRUE. The netting of chums to provide a marginal commercial fishery concurrent with steelhead migration, periodic dewatering, erosion of principle spawning tributaries (such as the Deadman) and the extremely F#cked up estuary known as downtown vancouver probably have more to do with the plight of the Thompson steelhead than anglers ever have or will.
     
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    In regards to the Angling guides as stewards comment:

    Sure there will be a few bad guides in any bunch, but do not forget that there are only 2 conservation officers (enforcement) for THE ENTIRE SKEENA REGION. that is countless steelhead streams, and the peak of steelhead season also coincides with a lot of Moose, deer, elk, sheep, goat and other hunting, which these officers are also enforcing. That is a lot of work spread over a huge region. Without some trustworthy guides keeping watch on various rivers every single day and calling to report infractions to make life a little bit easier for C.O.'s, their difficult job would be made even more difficult.

    The process to become a fishing guide in BC
    To become a Licenced Angling Guide in BC you must:​

    1. Write and Pass an exam to prove your knowledge of the regulations in the region(s) you plan to guide​

    2. Write an Angling Guide Operating Plan (AGOP) 3. Canadian citizen or a permanent resident of Canada (landed immigrant) and is 19 years of age or older (or has attached an exemption under Section 100 of the Wildlife Act). The applicant further certifies that he or she holds and will maintain a minimum of $500,000 public liability insurance applicable to his or her angling guide business and effective for the period during which s/he operates.​


    For me to become a guide in Alaska, I have to go onto the ADF&G and click guide license $100.00, process completed. Insurance required: $0.00, training or examination process: nothing.​


    The exam is probably a cake walk, the AGOP is probably pretty easy as well, but it's SOMETHING at least that regulates who can be a guide in BC...