NFR Gun control

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  1. Darthmonkey

    Darthmonkey Active Member

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    From my perspective it concerns the sharing of information between Health Care professionals and Law Enforcement for the purpose of background checks and entering that information into a national database. My guess is it is related to emotional instability and mental health disorders.
    I'd like to know how that pertains to conviction by a jury in the courts?

    Lugan, in so far as the Newtown Shooter,


    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...n-shooter-did-not-use-assault-weapon-n1475045



    In the video skip to the 4:10 mark and hear a newscaster say that there were 4 handguns found inside the school and the AR15 was left in the trunk. If you skip to the 5:00 mark you can see a police officer removing a weapon from the trunk and operation the tell-tale rear mounted charging handle of the AR to clear the weapon.
     
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    Considering the majority of those polled indicated they wanted stricter gun laws after the six year olds were killed with a reported assault rifle, I suppose there is a chance that it is possible a bill might pass through Congress but considering the rift in Congress right now, I'd be surprised if such a bill did pass.

    I don't believe Obama thinks such a bill will pass but he must have felt that he had to make an effort due to the public opinion in regards to nut cases killing massive numbers of people... especially six year olds. If no bill passes, I doubt if he'll lose any sleep over that fact. He never pushed for gun control when he was running for reelection. If it wasn't for the latest killings, I doubt if he would have even tried.

    As far as if he used an assault rifle or handguns, it probably doesn't matter much. It isn't clear what the wing nut used in the school but the wacko was using an AR15 for sure at the theater.

    Whatever he used fired a lot of shots in a very short period of time. As a gun owner, if they are going to ban guns, I'd actual rather it be an assault riffle than automatic handguns.

    Assault rifles were banned before. It would have no effect on me personally if they were again. Banning automatic handguns would definitely effect me.
     
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    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    There is no Due Process. Any doctor can make a report that will bar someone from being able to purchase a firearm and no form of verifying the doctors claim has been provided.

    To compare, currently a PFA (Protection From Abuse) can be filed by any one against any one. This will automatically remove the 2nd amendment rights from whomever was served the PFA if the court upholds the order. The person served has the right to contest the order and have his rights restored.

    From what I've read, there is no legal recourse for a person being accused of being mentally unstable to contest a report from a doctor. Of course, I still haven't seen the actual executive orders. Like I said, don't piss off any doctors.
     
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    There's no "due process" these days anyway. If you're called a "terrorist" (whatever that is) by the government, they can toss you in jail forever with no legal council.

    Besides, if my doctor wants to know if I own any guns I won't tell him and instead, seek out a different doctor.
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    I'm already hearing rumors that some Doc's are considering taking payment for services in ammo and hardware :D
     
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    zombie invasion.
     
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    First vampires. Then werewolves. Then vampires and werewolves. Now zombies. Other than watching grade B 1950 horror flicks, where are they getting this stuff?
     
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    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    You know...one of the things I like about this forum is the pretty high general degree of civility in these sorts of discussions. Frankly, I don't know why you let people like me in here.

    As a former Jarhead (and don't give me a lecture on Marine's never referring to ourselves as 'former'....when the one thing we NEVER do is refer to ourselves as ex-Marines)...I have an affinity for guns, as well as concern for keeping such lethal tools out of the hands of dingbats.

    Somehow, we let pandora's weapons box open to such people....and I haven't a clue how it could ever be shut again. Gun ownership is intrinsic to the American way...somehow we've got to solve this puzzle without violating that basic principle.

    I've seen some NRA types (and i'm a member) argue that even felons should be able to possess guns. Sorry, but felons, and the mentally ill, simply can't be trusted with the responsibility. There's gotta be some balance.
     
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  9. Bradley Miller

    Bradley Miller Dances with fish

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    Please don't park me Jerry.

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    Nice try. Newtown shooter - white middle class kid. Portland shooter - white middle class kid. Aurora shooter - white middle class kid. Columbine shooters - white middle class kids. Should we have the cops roaming through your neighborhood turning over your mattress to prevent the next one of these? Talk about childish solutions.

    And pwoens, the story that he didn't use the AR15 was debunked about 2 hours after the massacre.
     
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    If you spend any time at a gun range (and I do), you'll see quite the display of zombie targets. My theory is that zombies will never evoke any sort of sympathetic concern (considering they want to eat your BRAINS) and therefore couldn't even trigger a PETA complaint....the perfect target.
     
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    alot has been brought up about gun violence which no one can deny is increasing. I believe a lot just because increased population. but has anyone brought up the fact of violent video games in young people's finger tips and how that may desensitize them.
     
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    Ok, here's the deal. I let this go at first. Now, we're going over the gun debate (this was started as a joke, and let it run). Now the drivel has started. The allegations and the typical BS is starting. Some, total BS. So here's the deal. I'm shutting this down now, then deleting. Read this. Because here's the deal. Next Gun thread started is an instant ban. Go play gun debate on the original thread that's like 20+ pages long. I get ONE PM/conversation saying I'm out of line, you'll be parked immediately. GOT IT?!?!?! I'm about done with this.
     
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    mx610ktm... BINGO!
     
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    What were we talking about before the wheels fell off the wagon...again?
     
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