Handgun advice

Discussion in 'Cast & Blast' started by Flyborg, Apr 4, 2007.

  1. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    Just to be clear - around here, we aren't dealing with grizzlies and bull moose (mooses? Moosi?). It's meth - heads, meth labs, pot growers, car prowlers, crazy hillbillies, and occassionally... big foot. ;)
     
  2. Be Jofus G

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    You also left black bear and cougar off of the list. a 44 has the stopping power to put a halt on all of them. a.38 might stop a hibilly or pot grower in it's tracks but a bear, cougar, or tweaker will keep coming at you.
     
  3. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    I'll take my chances with a black bear or cougar... that's just part of being outdoors in WA.

    Getting jumped by some drug dealer or suprising a gang of car prowlers in the middle of rummaging through my stuff as I return to my rig - that's not a 'wilderness experience' I want to deal with ...
     
  4. Riffling Hitch

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    I'm in the 44 and 454/45 camp but a great revolver for what you are looking for is a stainless 357. This would give you the option of shooting a high power round or shooting 38's for a cheaper load for fun or less recoil.

    -Russell
     
  5. Charlie S

    Charlie S Confrimed Reprobate

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    Retired US Army here and retired law enforcement. Go with a revolver. There are some .40's and .45's in revolvers which are better cartridges than a .38. Additionally, if you can, get cast bullets. Believe it or not, better penetration than a hollowpoint and better effectiveness than a solid round nose. Then practice, practice, practice. I would strongly suggest getting some professional instruction, some stress shooting instruction and then practice from 0-7 yards (the distance of 99% of confrontations and anything further you could probably outrun any methhead alive so you wouldn't have excuse to shoot) until you are completely competent. That will take about a year of constant practice. Not joking, dead serious. It takes a very determined effort to shoot someone knowing the consequences but if you have to you have to be ready in all areas.
     
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    Was talking to a sheriff the other day after a theft at work. He told us two stories of tweekers refusing to go down at gun point but hitting the deck when confronted with a club. I don"t know how a meth maggot feels about dying quick but they do seem to shy from an ass beating. I say spray em then plug em.

    There are a lot of people who have guns for protection but very few that will actually take a life. Most say they will but the truth is most can't. You need to know who you are. Hesitation to buy one may save you a lot of grief. Hesitation to use one could cost you everything. Spray works and is easy to forget about later. Dead people can tattoo themselves on your eyelids. It's not for everyone.

    Scott
     
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    We are issued Glock 23's in 40. The Glocks in general are rugged reliable guns. Glock also makes sub compacts that handle very well. Anything between 9mm and 45 acp will serve you well. Choose the caliber that you can shoot well and don't get caught up in all the caliber hype. Handgun calibers, major service calibers, are pretty ineffective. On the other hand everybody would look at you funny walking around with an M4 strapped across your chest. So pick a brand and caliber that work well for you and practice practice practice.
     
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    Itchy Dog Some call me Kirk Werner

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    Not to make light of a very serious discussion, but truck stops carry tire thumpers that might be just the ticket for a meth-head. They're about 18" long, made of wood, and filled with lead. I picked one up several years ago for around $10 at a truck stop in Moses Lake. Nicely lathe-turned with an attractive cherry tone stain and a leather strap to put around your wrist so it doesn't slip. It would tuck nicely into the back pocket on a fly fishing vest, you know, for when you need to check your tires before driving home after a day of fishing.
     
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    Caliber hype? So you are saying a glock 40 has the same stopping power as a 44 mag? Doubt it. I've dead dropped two black bears at a gallop with a 44 mag (Legally Hunting) I wouldn't even consider trying that with a G23 40 or a 38 or anything smaller for that matter. Actually I was still pretty nervous with a 44

    If tweakers are the only reason for someone carrying then it's best to not even bother. A can of pepper spray and a 20 inch section of lead pipe will more than suffice and can provide hours of entertainment.
     
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    If I feel my life (or my kids with me or my wife or fishing buddy) is being threatened, I have a right to end the person's life who is threatening. However satitisfying a lead pipe beating may be, he'll be right back at it in a matter of days (or weeks depending on the beating) and he may find a scummy lawyer to sue you... Can't sue if he's dead. And if he truely is threatening my life, aside from my right to self defense (lethal even), I feel I have an obligation to his future victim(s). I may find a way to live, but the scum will be on to his next victim while I sleep all cozy in my bed the following week...
     
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    I'm a catch and release guy. :rofl:

    Yes you have every right to blow the dudes head off and I wouldn't tell you not to. Why you busting my balls? :beer2:
     
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    Trust me - I want nothing to do with your balls... ;)
     
  13. Mike T

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    Flyborg, there's a lot of good advice here, take it all in then go shoot as many guns as you can. You'll be balancing stopping power, rounds of ammo, weight, ease of carry, reliability. The people who recommend revolvers are IMO basically on the right track. However you do need to realize that revolvers do jam and break, it's a very rare occurence but when they're jammed you will have a bear of a time clearing it. Whatever you do don't buy a cheap revolver, stay w/ either Ruger or S&W. 44mag is a great round but if you're experienced you'll likely never get an aimed second shot off. I suggest you start with a 40S&W, 357 or if you insist in a 38 at least get one rated to fire +p ammo. +P is higher velocity ammo and that extra punch is very helpful.

    Decide which you're more concerned about, 2 legged or 4 legged predators and choose your gun accordingly. In Montana I definitely feel under gunned with a 357 loaded w/ hot cast rounds, in WA I'm fine with 45acp. But more importantly, practice shooting, practing presenting with all your gear on, practice dry firing in a safe environment (basement) with absolutely no ammo around, practice failure drills with dummy ammo.
     
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    shot placement
    i've dropped deer where they stood with a .243. i've also shot a deer twice with my .06. hit em in the right place, they die right now, hit them somewhere else, they die later. there's no such thing as more dead.
     
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    I Absolutly agree. The most important thing is to be able to hit what you want to hit exactly where you want to hit it. Practice practice practice and then when you have it down 100% practice some more. I'm guessing (never timed myself) with a .38 I could hit a bear directly inbetween the eyes with about a 3 second set up. I could hit anywhere on his head and chest with a .5 sub second set up best case. A bear can run 40 yards twice as fast as the fastest human. So say a 4 flat 40 yard dash is the fastest human average for the sake of easy math. With the shot I'd have to make with a .38 to drop him instantly, that leaves me 1 second dead before the bear is on top of me if he is 40 yards away when he decides to attack. With a large caliber round I can put 3 pieces of lead in him with enough power to [stop] or [slow] him down. That is why in my initial post I said 50 Cal desert eagle but they are spendy and could cost you of thousands of dollars in ammo just to get good enough to pull a few good shots off in that situation. I don't want to even think about doing the math factoring in the speed of a cougar who can sneak up and stand 10 feet from you before you even hear anything.