Heddon bamboo rod

Discussion in 'Bamboo, Fiberglass & Classic Reels' started by Lue Taylor, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. Steve Kokita

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    I fixed the reel seat, but both tips are delaminated in the same places, from the tip tops to the first snake guides. Both have burnt/discolored areas at the first snakes, same places....very weird. I glued one up today with Titebond III and we'll see how that holds up. What would you guys do/use??? Too nice for tomato stakes!
     
  2. Mike Monsos

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    That is odd, I wonder if the darkening was caused by moisture as the tips delaminated. Both tips with the same condition makes me wonder if the rod was stored wet somehow. Are the strips dark on the gluing surfaces also, dark inside rather than just on the outside surface?

    For a simple delamination I'd do the same as you but these darkened tips may have been weakened by rot if it was water damage.

    Can you post some pictures? Is this the same rod (17) we have been discussing?

    Mike
     
  3. Steve Kokita

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    Yes it's the same rod Mike, my fishin buddy Lue's rod. Very odd indeed! The discolored area is between the wraps on the first snake and a little past the forward warp. I couldn't see the color of the bamboo at this area as I didn't take off the guide, the rest of the delaminated wood didn't seem dark. Not sure how these tips will function, fish em til they break and have two identical short tips?! Might take the snake off the other tip to see what the wood looks like....might be scary! Not a picture poster.....
     
  4. Tom Bowden

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    Steve,

    I'd put a "decorative" or "invisible" wrap where you re-glued the delaminated sections. This provides additional support for your glue joint, and also identifies where the rod was repaired.

    Tom
     
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    Hi Tom, the section is 4" long and at the skinnest section of the rod. I'm not putting much faith in the bamboo....fish it until it breaks then have two equal short tips.
     
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    Hey Mike, I just removed the tip top and snake guide off the second tip....as you said, it looks like water penetrated under the snake foot and unfortunately the bamboo is dark inside that area. Looks like moisture then rust infected that section. The bamboo delaminated easily past that guide towards the ferrule. (6") Now what??? Not sure if I should Titebond it or cut off the bad section and install the tip top now? Hmmmmmmmmm :-(
     
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    As long as the bamboo itself was ok and the failure was just a delamination with the added invisible wrap you will be fine. With such a short area you could wrap from the guide wrap to the tiptop wrap and would be hardly noticeable.

    I fractured a tip on a three piece (really stupid move on my part separating the rod sections in a confined area) I made. For a test I just did a repair wrap, no glue or varnish to start off with. The rod cast just as well as it did before. I'm going to glue it up and do the invisible wrap that Tom suggested from the last guide to the tip top.

    Mike
     
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    Man this is sounding worse by the minute, you got nothing to loose if you try to save the tip. It may be a good learning experience if nothing else.

    Mike
     
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    Fished the rod today with a 3 5/8" Hardy Perfect, 6 wt line, and short tip. Cast chironomids 40' okay but....after a couple hours the mid section just below the female ferrule delaminated about four inches! No sign of water damage, just shitty old glue I guess? More work to do...worst part I didn't catch a fish with it yet!
     
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    Restoration work will test your patience at times. How did the long tip section turn out?


    Mike
     
  11. Steve Kokita

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    The glue held, haven't wrapped it yet. I'm not even going to flex that one yet. Have you heard of Heddon glue problems before? I know it depends on the care the rod was given over the years, but any complaints you know of? Out of the thirty plus rods I have, I haven't experienced delaminations like these.
     
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    I personally have very little experience with vintage bamboo and delamination's. I do feel your pain though.

    Mike
     
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    Pain?? It's killing me Mike! My eBay redone hot rods don't break unless I break them! (not on purpose) Heading (or Heddon) to the shop for the Titebond...
     
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    Maybe the answer is to take the plunge and buy the forms and plane. Split the culm, taper the strips and trust your OWN work. It's a lot less frustrating and much more rewarding.

    :cool:

    Mike
     
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    I think I'll just go fishing..... :)