Help me overcome some of my ignorance

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  1. Olive bugger

    Olive bugger Active Member

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    Over on another thread we were discussing dryer lint for dubbing. I started the thread as a tongue in cheek comment. One of the posters mentioned the Tups Particular fly. I have never heard of the
    Tups Particular fly. I have heard of the Tups Indispensable fly.

    So I ask, is there such a fly as Tups Particular, or did I just misunderstand.

    If it does exist, could someone please describe it?


     
  2. Rob Ast

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    No, I think it was just me trying to recall an obscure name off the top of my head without confirming via google.
     
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    Sorry , brain cramp .
     
  4. Olive bugger

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    Ah ha. I hope your memory is better than mine, Rob. Haha.

    IIRC I read somewhere that the urine stained fur of the fox was used
    in the Indispensable. Odd choice of material, but I suppose that some
    would not find it at all unusual. Wonder if we could convince Davy McPhail to do a vidio on the Tups?
     
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    When you mentioned Tups Particular , I KNEW I had heard of a pattern named the Particular . I had a brain fart and thought it was the Tups . Turns out it was the Lunn`s Particular I was thinking about . Don`t know if there is a Tups Particular .
    http://www.fish4flies.com/Dry/Winged/Lunns_Particular
     
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    The Tups Indispensable us dubbed with urine stained wool from a Ram's scrotum. Hence the name.
     
  7. Olive bugger

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    Ah ha. So I am learning. The Fox apparently has nothing to do with it.
    The Ram is a major contribution however.

    My next question would be, "WHY WOULD ANYONE CHOSE SUCH A MATERIAL? IS FISHING THAT METICULOUS THERE?"

    It would seem that a lot of substitution, for good reason, has come into the pattern.


    Thanks for the update.
     
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    Oh for crying out loud!!! First it's female fox urine on her belly and now it's male goat pee on its balls!! Evidently there was a really weird fly tyer of old sneaking around checking wild animals for pee stains. Pee stains on fur!!! Strange obsession.
     
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    Maybe things get slow in the high country of Scotland, Gene.
     
  10. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    What I'd like to know is how the ram was restrained when the harvesting was done. Some of the ones I've seen have been a bit cantankerous when humans are nearby.
     
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    Werry carefully.
     
  12. Hans Weilenmann

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    There is a Tups Indispensable and a Lunn's Particular.

    There may, of course, also have been an undisclosed liaison....

    Cheers,
    Hans W
     
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    ha hah hahhahahhah That's for sure...:D
     
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    Here is an actual specimen of urine-stained ram's "fur" taken from an unmentionable area of the ram. It was given to me by a mentor in 1965. A Tup's Indispensable was one of the first flies I tied.
    Jack DSC01209.jpeg
     
  15. Olive bugger

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    Well, to show how profound my ignorance is, I had to look up Mr. Lunn's Particular fly, since I am not familiar with it.

    I found this tidbit of great interest.
    http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part309.php

    Some of these old stories make for very good reading.

    That is some interesting material, Jack.
    However, i can see Charlie making a substitute for it in my Tup's