Help me overcome some of my ignorance

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  1. Thomas Mitchell

    Thomas Mitchell Active Member

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    Just to be more explicit... Tup is an old British term for ram. So a ram's 'indispensable'... Well you get the picture.

    I really like the pattern and use a blend of cream and yellow seal with a few pink strands blended in. It's probably a little more coarse than the original but it works and I get a kick out of fishing it knowing the origins. LOL
     
  2. Dave Evans

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    Huh, I do not use dubbing wax and just prefer to lick my fingers then wet the thread and material. I may change my strategy when using this stuff.
     
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    Think I'll stick to the synthetic Rams Urine Stained Balls Fur.... or imitation RUSBRF. (dirty orange dubbing)
     
  4. Olive bugger

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    Gives you a whole new perspective on dressing flies, don't it.

    Wonder if latex rubber gloves would work?
     
  5. Jack Devlin

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    The Tups Indispensable is not the only fly to use urine "burned" fur. The Hendrickson pattern calls for urine "burned" red fox fur.
    Jack
     
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    Looks like the wing material on a Norm Wood Special. I'll stick to dyed calf tail or similar colored synthetic. My brain is in golden stone mode, sorry. Can't wait!
     
  7. Olive bugger

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    Now I am wondering if "BURNT ORANGE" is in reference to the color of orange or to the method of obtaining the color orange. My ignorance grows more obvious by the minute.

    I truly like the color of burnt orange bodies and have taken several nice trout on it. But I never gave any thought to the origins. I just figured the color looked like burnt orange. However you describe the color.
     
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    In re Hendrickson materials: the readers' letters section of one of the big fly fishing magazines had an exchange some years ago when a reader complained of not being able to achieve the correct shade even though he had nailed some fox belly fur to his backyard fence and had gone out after dark every night to piss on it. Someone responded to his letter, pointing out that he had left out one important step: after the fox pisses on his belly fur, he licks it off.
     
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  9. GAT

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    It would have never worked. It must be the urine of a vixen fox. Female fox pee is the key for the color change. Urine from a drunk human male won't cut it. ...depending on the beer consumed.
     
  10. Jack Devlin

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    In the case of the color "Burnt Orange" the method of obtaining the color is not the same.
    In fly tying, there are a few times when the term "burning" or "burned" is used. Two that come to mind are "burning" feathers which is the process of rubbing off the flue with an eraser. The term "burned" comes to mind in the matter we are discussing whereby the fur/hair is "burned" by an acid. Urine.
    Note to all: The process we all use from time to time of licking our fingers when applying dubbing is OK. However, it is the re-lick that presents the problem.

    Jack
     
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    I think we could get a few dozen "Tups" from these guys 5819452437_5c8845976c_m.jpg
     
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    ha h ahhahh hahhahahahha hahah Ya think?
     
  13. Olive bugger

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    I THINK I WILL STICK WITH THE GODDARD CADDIS.
     
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