Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Jpfish, Mar 2, 2014.
IWB holster with no thumb break. Gun goes in holster, holster goes in chest pocket of waders.
guns aren't nearly as scary as those semi drivers from canada that drive for the shadow line
As mentioned early on by a few people, the Guides Choice by Diamond D is a great holster for larger calibers especially. I've also used the standard Galco shoulder rigs. The one's that carry the firearm pointed to the ground, not to the rear. Both of those work well under waders and are well concealed with waders. Wading deep isn't a problem.
Smaller firearms, I just stick in my jacket pocket or wader pocket in a pocket holster.
Another option that I actually use a lot is a small to medium backpack that is made by Camelback for LE use. It's called a Camelback UAC. It has a padded pocket in the small of the back that's easy to reach, a strap inside that you can attach a holster to, etc. If you don't carry a firearm it's just a good pack, but you can also attach a bear spray holster to the strap inside the pack and still reach the bear spray when the backpack is on. It's a pretty nice rig.
Thanks, Ed. Glad you liked the Duff reference. I'm a fan. Bottom line: flyfishing with a gun is a bit like figure skating with a knife. Announcing it here on a public forum about flyfishing begs notice and discussion. I cherish the First Amendment as much as the Second, so let's call it my constitutional right and the purpose of a forum to ask the obvious question, "why do you want to figure skate with a knife?" Wolves, bears, cougars? That's irrational. Then, someone clarified that a gun can be useful against another human being in the same type of places that I, my friends and family happen to fish. As a human being myself, I found that interesting. As the exchange progressed, my interest deepened and concerns were raised.
Despite the chest beating by some, I would bet that most people on this forum do not have the stomach or training to pull the trigger against another person; those who do just might be a little too hot-headed and gung-ho to be armed without adult supervision. I think it's worth pointing out, in direct response to OP, RCW 9.41.270, which I have attached here for everyone's convenience. Illegal display of a weapon is a Gross Misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail - maybe that's why my father taught us that if we ever raised a firearm against another person, we needed to be prepared to shoot to kill. No kneecapping in this family.
As to the quoted statute, admittedly I'm not familiar with your local laws but I would bet if you research further, you would find a difference between what is considered illegal brandishing as compared to what is defined as legal carry.
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Those who choose to carry should know the law well and themselves better. None that I've met take the right and responsibility lightly.
This thread remains off track without discussion of holsters. The link to the survival gear site was useful for me. A single handgun shoulder rig looks appealing.
You are absolutely correct Ed. I digress.
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If the link you were referring to is what I posted, then give him a call since being an ex marine he has designed holsters for security officers and our military. I can't be happier with my purchase.
Your stated reasons to carry were the best I have read stated on this thread. I carry both open and concealed everywhere I go and I laugh about the comments stated here and about people's reaction about our legal right to carry. If seeing a tactical rifle or the butt end of a gun makes you want to put your head in the sand then please do so but "Don't Tread on Me"
I never open carry in Canada. Always concealed carry in Canada. Canadian's don't like open carry for some reason. Just slip a slim Springfield XDS in your wader pocket, fits nicely while in Canada. No holster needed.
This is illegal without a Wilderness Authorization to Carry, aka ATC 2, which requires applicant to show a compelling need. Authorization is seldom granted. If Canadians don't like open carry, then it's probably for the same reasons that concealed carry is highly restricted. I am happily entertained to keep addressing the issues that come up in the natural course of this thread.
Ed said that his reasons to carry are his own. He expressly did not state his reasons. That was one of his key points.
The emotional reaction to an actual gun will be different in every person and depend on the situation. I don't think anybody here cowers at the sight or thought of a firearm under normal circumstances. However, the same weapon could cause any one of us considerable concern in the hands of someone who is confrontational, aggressive or otherwise off. We know those people are out there.
In WA, anyone who handles their weapon in a way that causes others to feel intimidated is probably violating the law and almost certainly liable to arrest. I am afraid that under WA law, Don't Tread on Me means, be careful where you point that thing and how it makes others feel or risk jail.
Your condescending way of addressing people (yes, it comes through) is doing absolutely no good here.
So that's why those border guards get upset when they see my guns in my car when crossing into Canada. Thanks for the heads up.
Hey Jason. I have tried to contribute by bringing interesting facts, ideas and arguments to the table. So far, I have found this exchange generally educational and entertaining.
Some people sound offended by what I wrote, but I could use the same argument as they, namely that I am exercising my legally protected, First Amendment right to free speech for reasons that are my own. If people can carry weapons without "giving a shit" what others think of their reasons, then should that not also apply to someone who is merely expressing ideas on a public forum?
I have been around guns all my life. I love fishing more than shooting. Until now, carrying a gun while fishing in WA has seemed like an inconvenience and unnecessary risk - that's my personal experience. However, there does seem to be some consensus here that anyone packing is elevating everyone's risk of getting shot or arrested. Therefore, the thread was destined, from the first post, to raise these obvious questions, which provided an opportunity to explore the issue and understand it better.