How do you tie your two fly rig for trolling/stripping?

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  1. LCnSac

    LCnSac John or "LC"

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    My go to combo is a wiggle tail, rufus, or leech as the first fly, then a Prince attached with 18"-24" or so of tippet to the hook bend of the first fly for the point fly.

    What I've noticed over the years is that at least 80% of my fish come on the point fly, usually a Prince. In one lake virtually all Rainbows take the first fly, the streamer, and the cutties take the point fly and never the streamer, but that's the only exception that comes to mind.

    Sometimes I wonder if using the streamer is worth the effort if they are keying on the Prince. I also wonder if the streamer acts as an attractor and they end up preferring the nymph, and, if using the hook bend to secure the second fly tippet rather than attaching the streamer with a longer tag from the blood knot would give better action and results for the streamer.

    What do you do, and what have you found to be the best two fly rig?
     
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    You're ok running off the hook bend, good as anything. Honestly I found that the best two fly setup is one fly. 6 of 1 to the fish so the difference is a matter of convenience.

    If you're getting hit more on one vs the other I'm betting it's more about the closest fly or direction the fish came from vs a liking to one of them. Usually they're not as selective as we might think.
     
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    Clumsy Carp New Member

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    My standard two-fly setup, especially when fishing a lake for the first time, is a small (size 10-12) black beadhead wooly bugger tied on to 3x or 4x tippet with a non-slip mono loop. 18-24" behind that I use an unweighted size 18 pheasant tail nymph tied on to 4x or 5x tippet with another non-slip mono loop. No secrets here, but it really does work well. I'd guess that 3/4 of the fish hit the nymph.
     
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    Clumsy Carp New Member

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    Fluorcarbon Plus for the tippet always.
     
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    Gary Knowels Active Member

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    I like to go 2 flies and usually I get a 50:50 or 60:40 mix. My favorite is a size 8 black bunny leach with red and pearl KF topping and a size 14 six pack tied 20" off of the hook bend. Sometimes I'll trail a camo carey insterad of the six pack
     
  6. LCnSac

    LCnSac John or "LC"

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    What the hell is a six pack?? Northwesterners! You people relate to alcohol too much ;-)
     
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    Depending on water temp, I usually troll a six pack of PBR 18-24" behind the boat. When things cool down a bit, I'll switch to a fifth!
     
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    LCnSac John or "LC"

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    Great looking fly--probably could get almost the same thing done with a soft hackle?
     
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    Probably as that is essentially what it is. It works, and it was the first fly I ever caught a fish on and I've caught more lake fish on that than any other fly so it is a definite confidence fly for me.
     
  11. LCnSac

    LCnSac John or "LC"

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    I like that fly. I'm unclear on "self bodied." Elaborate? I'd like to tie some up for Oregon next week.
     
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    Use 6-7 PT fibers for the tail. it is important to pick the longer fibers from the tail because after tying them in, use the butts to wrap up the body of the fly. In this way the tail and body are one piece. keeps the profile slim and avoids a bump at the hook bend and eliminates a step.
     
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    Gary Knowels Active Member

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    Both yellow and natural work. Most times when one works, the other does as well. I have run into certain lakes that one will work and the other won't though. The natural tends to work better in tannic water.
     
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    LCnSac John or "LC"

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    Got it, thx.
     
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    I tie my back fly off of the eye of the first fly. This keeps the hook open. I also tend to put my larger fly as my back fly. I've seen this create a sense of competition. Fish will attack the top fly first thinking the other animal might get to it first. Although I have also seen fish attack the back fly as well. If I have fished an area for a bit and things have slowed, I will switched it up to see what happens. Sometimes that will do the trick.
     
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