NFR How wolves change rivers....

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  1. tinman207

    tinman207 Active Member

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    Some interesting claims made in this clip. I know there are a lot of varying opinions of how wolf management has impacted various regions, and I am curious as to what others think about this.
     
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    jeff bandy Make my day

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    Interesting, never really thought about that. Another benefit of having the wolf's back is the health of the remaining herds is better. They cull the weaker, sick.
    You won't hear any of the elk hunters pointing that out. They like to take the best of the gene pool for trophies. I have no problem with hunting. It just seams kind of stupid to kill your best breeders. Watched a hunt in Europe. Red stag I believe. The guide (you have to have one) picked your animal. If you were really lucky, you got to shoot a old bull. Past his prime. Otherwise it was whatever he thought the herd needed the least.

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    In the mid-1980s Alston Chase's Book "Playing God in Yellowstone..." created a stir. In it he talks at length at some of the National Parks policies and decisions that effected the natural ecosystems of places like Yellowstone. While he had some obvious biases he discusses in detail the changes that occurred within the Parks' ecosystem with the elimination of the wolves. If one is interested in such things the book is a good (though long) read.

    What is really surprising and interesting is how quickly the ecosystem has responded to the re-introduction of wolves. The wolves have been back in the Park for less than 20 years but as the video points out many of the impacts from the elimination of wolves some 70 years earlier are in the process of being reversed.

    Curt
     
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    Well, it's been a few months. About time we have another wolf thread :)

    Hang on! Here we go again!
     
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    Not me Gene. I'm staying out of this one.

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  8. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I visited Yellowstone in 2001 and again this year in 2014. I did not see evidence of the dramatic claims made in the video. I did see less elk and buffalo. Also they were restricted to/or missing from certain areas of the park.
     
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    Ah, come on Trapper, you don't want to miss the every other month wolf fight... it's now a tradition at this place :)
     
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    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    The biggest issue with the Yellowstone rivers is the lack of cutthroat thst move out of the lake to spawn- bucket biologists put mackinaw in the lake and the cutties are getting wiped out.
    Read an article recently making the claim that the cutthroat, not the wolves, are the true keystone species for Yellowstone

    The loss of the massive trout spawning runs has severely impacted the bears, the birds etc
     
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    Sunni and Shia conflicts are traditional also, but I'm not booking a flight to Syria either. ;)
     
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    Two facts that I find indisputable.

    1. The wolves are here.

    2. The wolves are not leaving anytime soon.
     
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    Sorry to get out the plunger and bring up old s#%t. I hadn't seen that previous thread on this. I was mostly curious if anyone had real facts on the grand claims made I that video.
     
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    This guy needs to go back to England or where ever he's from and dwell in his own land.
     
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