I need help with Chironomid fishing

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  1. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    My thoughts are chromies work in all situations and if person wanted to all they'd need is an appropriately sized chromie to "match the hatch".

    You may have a different idea about chromies but I've used them when black, brown, green and reddish chronies are emerging and caught fish.
     
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    Most indicators are attached by making a loop in your leader, threading the loop through the indicator loop, wrapping it around and then tightening the loop. This allows you to change position of the indicator. I found you can use the same technique for attaching a fly at a spot on the leader and then moving it to another spot simply by loosening the loop and sliding the pattern where you'd like.

    It's the most I've learned from indicator fishing.

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    Gene, any idea what it does that do to the strength of the line? I guess it's mostly the same as rigging a thingamabobber, just with a smaller eye.
     
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    Yup, it is exactly the same as installing an indicator similar to a thingamabobber. I've used the system for many years and have caught a lot of trout on the sliding pattern. It doesn't effect the leader strength in the least. Primarily because it isn't really a knot but just a loop made with the leader/tippet material.

    If I'm in a hurry to install a secondary pattern for any subsurface stillwater presentation, I'll simply do so with the loop system. I use F-carbon tippet material so I don't know if there would be a problem with mono. The limitation is the size of the hook eye. If the pattern is very, very small the loop will not fit through the eye... depending on the size of the tippet.
     
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    I once watched a "master" fly fisherman catch more fish than all others on the lake combined. My observation: He had a strike indicator that I believe was hollowed out a bit more to allow the leader and tippet to slide through easier. He than casted two bugs, the top bug was the larger for weight and the indicator right above it. He released line allowing the rather quick descent of the two bugs and began a hand twist, let it drop, hand twist, let it drop, retrieve.

    If you have read about chironomids you know of the struggle to reach the surface with many failures along the way that cause an immediate descent. He captured this struggle for life ordeal.

    Believe me, I have tried this method and can not get the two bugs to commit to descent as readily as the "master" did. Perhaps a heavier bug?

    This same method can be attained with a full sinking line right off your floating vessel but covers way less water and may spook fish.
     
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    Dave---I don't have a camera to take a photo of what I have tied, but it is the easiest fly you have ever tied. I cut the V rib on a slight angle to make it easier to tie on to the shank just above the bend. Wrap the V-rib up the shank to near the eye, tie off the V-rib and then either attach an ostrich herl (dub a small amount of white rabbit fur if you don't have ostrich) make 2-6 wraps and tie it off and you are finished.
     
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    slip indicators are very easy to adjust, don't kink the leader as bad as using a thing-a-ma-bobber, and if you are using a really long leader, when you hook a fish, the bobber can move freely on the line so you will have an easier time landing the fish.
     
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    Thingamaboobers are a pain to adjust as well. Slip indicator is much easier.
     
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    What Cmann said about the slip strike indicator, it allows you to fish deeper than the length of your fly rod. I have fished and landed fish under an indicator up to about 15 feet or more. If fish are boiling, you can set your fly within inches of your indicator, they don't seem to care. Or go without an indicator, I like to use a dry or emerger on top at that point myself.

    Wayne
     
  10. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I use the foam pinch on indicators when fishing in shallow or clear water. The heavier slip indicators spook fish with the splash down.
     
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    They do? Funny, I don't seem to have any issues even in really shallow water, but that's just me.
     
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    Yes it does. I know that paying attention is difficult, but it becomes much easier with two maybe three changes to your indicator set up. First avoid round indicators! Do they work, of course they do but round indicators have 360 degrees of symmetry and you might miss the more subtle takes because you may not notice the indicator turn or for that matter dip a little bit. Instead consider using a tear drop style indicator. Any tiny change in it's directionality either up/down, left/right, pause, causes the indicator to change much more dramatically than with a round indicator. After all that's what they are, indicators and if they are bobbing, you are doing it wrong. Second use a two tone indicator, this will also help you see subtle changes because of the contrast in the colors. I prefer orange and white, but green and white and others will work as well. Lastly don't be afraid to use larger indicators. Tiny indicator become much harder to see if there is even a little bit of chop or light change and they are also harder to see in your peripherel vision during those times that you glance away. I currently use an indicator that is about an 1 1/4" long, and ask those who fish with me, I have no trouble scaring fish with them.
     
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    GT, this is a new concept to me, from how I'm reading it is the leader and tippet slide though the indie freely? So you cast the rig out, let the bugs slide down threw the indie and then hand twist the bugs up and down vertically.
    So the indie isn't used for a depth setting, just to retrieve vertically? Pretty cool idea....I think I'll have to try that.
    Thanks,
    Mark
     
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  14. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Try them at Rocky Ford and you will find out quickly. Or maybe the Rocky Ford trout are sensitive and don't like people to throw things at them.
     
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    It is common for trout to hit the indicator. At one lake, it was so common I started adding a hook to the indicator in hopes of hooking one of the mouthy trout. Hah! They ain't so stupid.... the trout would not touch an indicator with a hook. I have no idea why.

    I've even made tiny little "bass popper" looking things to use for indicators and the trout would ignore them. But once I started using a bright yellow bobber with no hook again... they'd nail it. Smartass trout.

    The Cortland pinch on indicators work fine for me but are a one time use affair. I ended up making my own indicators by cutting small sections of a bright yellow foam tube and installing a loop made of dry fly line. Any indicator with a loop system is easy to move up and down the leader. I'm not a fan of a Korkie and a tooth pick.