I was fishing a creek in Montana 20 yrs ago, tried an orange indicator with a stone nymph. Some really, really big browns kept coming up and inhaling my indicator. I couldn't figure out why, until a random Salmon Fly landed on my head. Just about that time, one of those browns grabbed my indicator and off he went. I fought that fish for two minutes, thinking the whole time, "This can't be happening. There's no hook on my indicator!". After a few more seconds, he let go. I put a Salmon fly (Sofa Pillow) on, no luck. Put a bare hook on my indicator - two fat fish. I've never had that happen since. Of course, I haven't used indicators since then either. These "inputs" are very helpful guys, thank you! Like I said, I've been fishing for 27 years now - and feel like a total newbie when it comes to this chirono fishing. It's kinda fun to learn something totally new! Heck, next is Tenkara fishing right? I'm kidding!!!