I wonder why we don't have Brown Searun Trouts here in the PNW.

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  1. triploidjunkie

    triploidjunkie Active Member

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    I don't know about sea runs, but there many places to get lake run browns in eastern Washington. They grow pretty big in some of the lakes. I know of some some runs that average well over six pounds.
     
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  2. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Dmmitall! If we had searun browns here in Western Wa, then there would be no reason to travel elsewhere to find them. Moss would begin to grow on the north sides of our bodies. Not needing to leave this dismal soggy clime, we would all just stay here and mildew!
    In fact, I fear that I am mildewing as I type this!
     
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    wadin' boot Donny, you're out of your element...

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    Brown trout can't HANDLE the mildew
     
  4. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    While I would like to chase sea trout (sea run browns) some day, I would not trade them for the NW locals. Not ever.

    I know it is purely a personal choice, but I would take even a lowly "North Fork Firetruck" over any sea trout, if I had to pick one to catch the rest of my days.

    But I am diseased.
     
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    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    I'm with ya, cuthtroat beach action is fun! I feel blessed with saltwater all around me, the cost of the sport I love can be managed a little better now that I don't have to drive far every time I want to fish, though the learning curve was steep. But SRC in the salt are fun, I do secretly wish they'd grow bigger though. ;). Like that monster searun trout in your link! :D
     
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    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Alexander, I often use my 9' med/stiff action 4 wt for beach fishing, if the wind isn't up, and if the flies I'm using are small enough. The lighter rod allows for the sub-14" fish to feel like you have a good fish on the line, and feels much better matched to fighting searun cutthroat than my 6 wt, which often feels like overkill. However, my 6 wt is better for casting larger baitfish patterns, coneheads, etc, and casting in the wind.
    But I prefer using my 4 wt, whenever I can. It does not overly stress out the fish if you use at least 3x tippet and know how to "put the wood" (use your butt section) to a larger fish.
    I am now thinking that a med/stiff 5 wt would be about the right compromise for beach fishing for searun cutthroat.
     
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    Many Non native fish appear to have a difficult time persisting with native parasites such a Nanophyetus salmincola and their bacterial associates. Brook Trout, Brown Trout, and atlantic salmon seem to do OK only in areas above barriers or in areas without the intermediate host, a snail called Juga. Other examples probably exist. It is fortunate for us that our native fish have evolved to thrive in the presence of these organisms, and non native fish have not. Otherwise we would probably be more over run by exotics than we currently are.
     
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    Hi Alexander,
    If our steelhead populations would recover (insert laughing emoticon from the pessimists....), you might have a solid shot at them in the salt in the fall/winter, rather than the incidental occurrence now. They would certainly be the equivalent or superior to searun browns as far as battling.
    Steve
     
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    Something to day dream about...steelhead in the salt as a common occurrence!!!!
     
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    Steve have you caught sea run browns before?
     
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    Hi Alexander,
    No, I haven't caught searun browns for sure. I have landed searun (and landlocked) Atlantics in Maine and Nova Scotia and browns and Atlantics in Patagonia (Torres del Paine National Park). I have caught both steelhead (in rivers) and browns (in lakes) in Washington. I can compare the fight of a lake-living brown trout and rainbow trout of similar length on the same day. The browns were more like bulldogs, lots of heart and power; they tended to stay deep until drawn up from the depths. Steelhead (or rainbows in lakes to provide a comparison in a similar environment) can give you that lightning run where your reel just sings. The steelhead seem to stay more near the surface. And they are happy to jump.

    You can find in Steve Raymond's book, Steelhead Country, a great essay "In the Estuaries" in which he describes catching steelhead in an unnamed Puget Sound estuary in the late winter/spring. Trying to mimic that experience is on my list of adventures that I would like to try at some point.

    Steve
     
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    There are a few populations of sea run browns on the eastern side of Vancouver island. They're pretty rare, though. I believe all of those rivers also have fairly healthy populations of resident browns present as well. Perhaps those browns that do go out to sea are just rare individuals in the resident population that got a genetic wild hair and decide to see what's down-stream rather than being individuals with inherited predispositions to anadromy. In any case, since they planted some of those streams from Scottish stocks well over 100 years ago, I have to believe that if those browns that went out to sea truly found a niche to exploit in the marine environment, we'd probably see a lot more of them.
     
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    There are sea-run Browns in the Trinity that go up to about 36". True monsters. I've never been able to hook one though.
     
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    I'm not aware of any rivers in WA that drain to inland seas.