If you could only own one sinking tip for Steelhead...

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  1. j herald

    j herald New Member

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    ...what would your favorite sink rate be, and what brand would you prefer? I currently have a Rio Grand floating line, a Rio Outbound floating line, and an Airflo intermediate sinking line - all used mainly for salmon and SRCs off the beach, and less often (sadly) out of rivers. I need to add a good all around sink tip to this collection as I focus on steelhead this season.

    From what I have read on this forum about the versa-tip concept, combined with my own philospophy about technology attempting to cover lots of bases but ultimately not covering any well, I am not inclined to head in that direction. I realize that a variety of sink tips is the best way to cover all conditions, but for now I want to buy one that will satisfy the majority of situations I am likely to encounter. Hep me, if you will!
     
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    softwaterstructure Banned or Parked

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    nevermind the fact that over the years, many a qualified, skilled and
    'in the know' PNW steelheader cut, chopped, spliced and looped various pieces of floating this and sinking that to create their own multi-tip long before they were ever commercially available. it is not technology attempting to cover lots of bases but technology allowing for the mass production of what many created in their own garage.

    but if you are so inclined to limit yourself to one sinktip purchase the sa wet tip IV. it is a classic.
     
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    Cortland 444 Sl QD 425 gr
     
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    otter Banned or Parked

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    .......I buy rios and let the fishing take care of the rest.........

    otter
     
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    softwaterstructure Banned or Parked

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    :eek: :eek: im assuming you lose a fair amount of flies during a day on the water.
     
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    I if I had to have one tip, it would definately be a type III.
     
  7. djzaro

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    Teeny 200
     
  8. I have the Teeny 200 and the SA Type III, They are totally for different situations, I think you can't just buy one and expect it to do all. If you are then stay with a floating line and make adjustments.
    Frank.
    Buy an extra spool when you get some money and buy the one that fits your favorite river, if the NF Stilly go with the SA Type III. Later take the floating off and try a larger river with the Teeny 200.
    That's not the way I did it, but hey only so many of us can walk in thinking of getting some flies and walk out several hundreds of dollars later. :beathead: :beathead: :beathead: :beathead:
    Thanks for reminding me! SH1T! :mad:
     
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    For a single hander rod, I'd agree. For a 2-hander the 10' RIO 'extra fast sinking' poly-leader. You can increase the 'sink rate' on either by adding a weighted fly for greater depth.
     
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    Type III will cover just about 90% of all rivers in the NW. If its still not heavy enough, add a weighted fly along with it, simple as that.

    Make sure you get a density compensated sink tip.
     
  11. John Hicks

    John Hicks Owner and operator of Sea Run Pursuits

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    Rio Type III. If I need deaper I just cast farther up stream.
     
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    Rio or SA type III ...adjust depths/situation with weight of the flies.
     
  13. Will Atlas

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    I usually fish a type VI although there are certainly situations where that is overkill in which case a type III or IV does the job nicely.
    Will
     
  14. HauntedByWaters

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    One thing to keep in mind, which was touched on a little bit above: you can always have a lighter tip for a piece of water and add a weighted fly to get down to where it needs to be. I feel this is a much better approach than increasing your angle and swinging the fly faster as you would with a real dredger. I really feel that a slow swing is important at any time of the year; less so in the summer but still as slow as possible in almost all cases. I will fish a hole, get my fly swinging and think, “Damn, this holes fishes great” and the fly feels like it is being sucked down and is “stuck” dangling near the bottom; it is amazing how often I get a fish in those perfect-swinging-waters. Anyway, too heavy a line and your line won’t get literally carried by those slow swinging waters (think suspension but under water), it will punch through to the bottom unless you compensate by swinging faster which as I said is a counter-productive approach, especially this time of year. So I would go with something that sinks medium to fast in a length of 8-10 feet. All the dredger lines claim BS like “Gets you down to the fish!” et cetera. THIS IS BS BS BS! If you know how to find steelhead waters and what they look like, they really aren’t very deep at all, you should have no problem covering them with a medium to fast tip in the 8-10 range and if you need a little more, add a weighted fly. It is simple. Most people tend to fish too deep. If you feel your fly ticking it is too deep.…..I have said too much already.
     
  15. j herald

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    as I hoped (and expected), you guys have dished out some great advice.
    Thanks everyone.:thumb: