ignorance is no excuse

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by nwtroutguy, Jul 15, 2008.

  1. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm just new and clueless, so I must be a poacher to go where several guide (books) and guides (humans) and maps indicate are good for sea run cutthroat trout in my neighborhood to save gas. Freaking dumbass clueless newbie, but I don't go to PNP with an intent to catch SRC just like I don't go to CBA to catch Chinook. There are chances to catch each at both places, but the guides (books and humans) don't suggest that it would be productive.

    And I'm not telling where in my part of the world CBA is, I like that I can fish there alone almost any time any day.
     
  2. Ulfinator

    Ulfinator New Member

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    Guess I only have half a brain then. I am new to fly fishing in the salt. I do know that some of the patterns I got from Puget Sound Fly Co would catch Silver's as well as SRCs (i.e. Clouser). However I am such a rookie that I don't know for sure what sizes will work or not for just SRCs and Silvers. Also until the last few thread about this popped up I didn't know much about what is SRC habitat and what is not.

    Lets not assume that everyone is a dumbass that doesn't know these kinds of things. I agree that being ignorant of the rules is not an excuse. However understanding the rules governing a wide area but not understanding the geographical features or where the fish would be in that area doesn't automatically someone is up to no good.

    Closed minded statements such as yours are not very encouraging for beginners who are trying to learn.
     
  3. Hooker

    Hooker Banned or Parked

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    Richard- Dont be a dumbass. You and I both know that you can target cutthroat and avoid the majority of the salmon. If you want to fish PNP you are not trying to avoid salmon, nor catch cutthroat. Just like you said, while salmon fishing you happened into cutts.
    fly isnt specific, location is, you CAN target cutts in areas open to salmon and not have much bycatch.
     
  4. Denny

    Denny Active Member

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    I'm not being a dumbass; it's a simple question to your comment " . . . but it is possible to fish cutts and not catch/target many salmon."

    How? You say it can be done; instead of resorting to name calling, share with us how to do it.
     
  5. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, now I'm gonna get a jab in myself:

    Is it Hooker like dances around poles and stands on a corner?
    or
    Is it Hooker like you are so darn good that you know some super secret way of communicating with the fish in season and can catch only that which you covet?

    Your evidence supported response is highly anticipated, especially since you have now reverted to calling Richard, a senior member, a dumbass. I for one have been lurking on this site for a few months before ever posting and I must say I have read an awful lot by Richard and his responses are informative and presented in a very credible fashion. I have also recently reviewd a few of yours since I'm now your poaching target clueless newbie that doesn't know crap. I'm leaning toward listening to Richard.

    Who is the dumbass now?
     
  6. Clint F

    Clint F Fly Fishing Youth

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    Very well put Mumbles. iagree

    Clint
     
  7. D3Smartie

    D3Smartie Active Member

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    Wow... the things I miss out on while in the field. I'm going fishing, maybe some of you should do the same.
     
  8. Mr.E

    Mr.E He called me an Elitist ?? LOL ..what a moron

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    This stuff is just to freakin funny. :rofl:
     
  9. Hooker

    Hooker Banned or Parked

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    You are Mumbles, and it is painfully obvious. Did i ever say you were poaching? and yes, you dont know shit. Learning, but right now, you dont know shit.
    All a senior member of an internet site means is that you have spent way too much time staring at a screen. You'll get better advice from guys that hardly ever post but spend all their time fishing. I am heading in the wrong direction that is for sure.
    I think that anyone that has spent much time on the salt knows that these species will share habitat, but if you are honestly targeting SRCs, you will fish different areas than if you are just targeting salmon. The fish overlap, the flies will catch all species, but based on location one can get a pretty good idea what you are targeting.
     
  10. Denny

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    Dude, we're still waiting for more detail regarding " . . . but it is possible to fish cutts and not catch/target many salmon."

    It appears you know more than most of the people involved in this thread and are a substantially experienced saltwater fisherperson, so rather than call people names or cast aspersions on their experience or lack thereof, share the info that you think we ought to just 'know'.
     
  11. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    iagree
     
  12. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    I guess I'm not enough of a salty specialist to get self-righteous or contentious about all this-I figure I'm a real lucky guy if I can get to a beach anywhere, cast the little twinkly thing at the wet part, and hook/release something. Legal fishing practiced with a pure heart and a clear conscience-the bliss of ignorance.
    I'm surprised no one has yet asserted that if you're not using a dry fly, you're a poacher!
    ha ha! I'll go for the obvious troll there...:rofl:
    Bob
    I believe little debates like this would be wayyy less toxic if conducted on a beach, with flask in hand.
     
  13. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Fished my local rocky beach where I normally go for SRC...nothing. Hiked a bit north to an area where it is nothing but sand, flat boring sand. Caught three SRC and one Silver. I was fishing for Silvers. I was mumbling all the time..."bring on the silvers" and "no whammy SRC's for me" but still got them.

    Hooker, you are way too full of yourself. Once I have attained your level of knowledge, which may be never I can only pray I don't get so into myself and so up everyone else's ass about how much you know and how they don't know shit. For my my objective is to continue to learn terrain, water, techniques and improve until I can no longer cast. I can only say that i'm sorry that you have reached your pinnacle and have to resort to newbie bashing. That is just as classless as I am clueless.

    As for the senior members, I would think you are not entirely correct yet again. Some of them fish a hell of a lot and still find time to post and share knowledge, not ride anyone's tail about trying to learn and follow the regs as published by the great state of Washington.

    Tight lines to you, regardless of how you have treated me. I had mine tightened this morning, learned a lot, getting in some lunch and I'll be back at it again this afternoon.

    What a wonderful day to be learning out on the water.
     
  14. DimeBrite

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    Mumbles was on the ropes yesterday, beginning to wilt under Hooker's relentless tail slaps like a wounded sand lance falling out of the bait ball. But today Mumbles scored big by actually going fishing and successfully hooking and landing 2 game species (both in season)! Mumbles takes the overall lead and sheds his newbie status, he is now a man of the salt to be respected by all. Hooker's verbal assaults qualify for anger management class, but all respect his uncompromising ethics & defense of SRC and salmon. Will Hooker unite with Mumbles on the beach to become the North Sound's hottest conservationist-flyfisher ticket?

    Stay tuned:
     
  15. Griswald

    Griswald a.k.a. Griswald

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    I would put my money on Richard over Hooker anytime, anywhere.

    Let's all go fishing.

    Griswald