illegal float plane coho fishing?

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  1. Jonathan Tachell

    Jonathan Tachell Active Member

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    Per the WDFW website you must have a salmon charter license to accept a fee in return for taking someone salmon fishing in saltwater, period!
     
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    Fixed that for you.
     
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    Chris Bellows Your Preferred WFF Poster

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    so you're saying a salmon charter license isn't necessary? would a beach guide still need a guide license specific to salmon to target salmon?

    as i've said, even if a charter license isn't required, a food fish license would be. neither guide advertising salmon trips currently has even a food fish license according to WDFW.
     
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    http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/commercial/charter_guides.html

    The 1st heading reads: "Licensing Requirements for Charter Boats and Fishing Guides" Reading further: "This document describes WDFW license requirements for guides and charter boats."

    Seems clear enough to me.

    I do agree with you that a Food Fish License does seem to be required when guiding for salmon - in fresh water or salt water.

    Guides, what's the story?
     
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    A "charter boat" is a vessel from which persons may, for a fee, fish for salmon in marine areas, Lake Washington, or that part of the Columbia River below the bridge at Longview. When you go out on a charter boat, you are usually part of an unassociated group of anglers that made reservations for that day. In certain cases, if you have enough anglers, you can reserve all the spots on the boat. In some parts of the country, a charter boat may be referred to as a “head boat” or “party boat.”
    I don't think that people will be fishing from the plane.
     
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    A Salmon Charter*license is required if you accept a fee to take a person fishing for salmon, food fish or shellfish in Marine Areas 1 through 13 (including 2-1 Willapa Bay, 2-2 Grays Harbor, 8-1 and 8-2), Lake Washington, or the Columbia River downstream of the Longview Bridge.



    This doesn't say anything about using a boat. Just accepting a fee for taking a person salmon fishing. Maybe they are only charging for the plane and lunch...
     
  7. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    "Mad slanders on mad ears do fall" William Shakespeare

    All of this is plain to see on the same above quoted wdfw commercial licensing page. But somehow it happens here that certain individuals are reading only the words that support their own speculative, presumptive and rather vitriolic accusations. In my experience these kinds of personal accusations and attacks are never innocent. No one is trying to circumvent or skirt any laws. and no one is harvesting any fish, nor is anyone fishing from a "vessel". The states attorney general office has an adviser appointed for wdfw matters who has stated to me previously that this walking beach guiding is not an illegal activity under the law.

    As regards "seaplanes", Kenmore Air is a licensed carrier for transportation. These people are using the seaplane for transportation only. They are not fishing from the seaplane. They are fishing from the beach. On foot. Under the Code of Federal Regulations a seaplane is only considered a "vessel" while underway upon the waters, ie; taxiing for take off and after landing etc.

    The Salmon Charter license is for a "designated vessel".

    There is no specific requirement or provision for a walking saltwater beach guide to have a salmon charter license.

    Nor is there a specific restriction or penalty against a walking saltwater beach salmon guide. (Probably because the impact would be statistically negligible considering how few would do this).

    The Food Fish License is for fresh waters only. From the same wdfw page:

    A Food Fish Guide license is required if you accept a fee to take a person fishing for salmon, sturgeon or other food fish species in freshwater rivers and streams, except Lake Washington, and the Columbia River downstream of the Longview Bridge, which requires a charter license.
    Vessel designation required: NO

     
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    Heli - beading (out of a chopper) on the lower Quinault for steelface is on fire! !! Don't even need a tribal guide..your in uncharted territory so jump on it before it's found to be illegal:) also I'll be doing a crabbing chart...I mean crab sight seeing tours for you shore bound folks.
     
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    Why complaint about something you probably would never use anyway
     
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    No vitriol although you can interpret it as you see fit. Questions were asked and now you've provided answers. Good luck in the endeavor.

    Somehow float fishing salmon trips (for pay or otherwise) don't seem to mesh with your outspoken view on many things. Commercialism at its finest.
     
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    Another thing here that is making Mountains out of Mole hills. I went to the web site and both guides are licensed guides. They are not fishing out of a float plane.
     
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    It just sounds like you guys are jealous because you can't go on the plane and catch fish.
     
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    Because it's not like we could drive to this beach by the time that plane takes off at 8 am on a saturday.
     
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    wordsmithing at its finest. because you can get away with not buying any license specific to salmon and you're not gonna kill any fish. how come you've never advertised targeted salmon trips until now?

    you are no different than those you ridicule who fish salmon under the guise of open cutthroat fisheries.
     
  15. Jonathan Tachell

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    From the WDFW website:

    " A salmon charter license is required if you accept a fee to take a person fishing for salmon, food fish, or shellfish in marine areas 1-13 ( including 2-1 willapa bay, 2-2 grays harbor, 8-1 and 8-2), lake Washington, or the Columbia river downstream of the Longview bridge."

    It says nothing about whether you are guiding from shore or a boat. If you are charging some one to take them fishing for salmon in saltwater you must have a salmon charter license.

    And as stated before a food fish guide license only applies to salmon in freshwater. Excluding lake Washington and the Columbia downstream of the Longview bridge.
     
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