in search of a perfect loop

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by yuhina, Dec 17, 2011.

  1. James Waggoner

    James Waggoner Active Member

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    Greg, in reference to point #3...give us "other participants" more credit, as a self proclaimed victory has zero merit with most. Mark's been pounding a square peg in a round hole for quite awhile now and to mix metaphors in harmony with this thread, he's found it wise to put down the "shovel".

    This has been a great thread and exercise in validating the fundamentals and the importance of them.
     
  2. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    Hey freestoner, nothing wrong with looking like a total spaz...:thumb:
    I didn't start making casting progress until I became OK with sucking at it...strange alchemy of the mind. Humility took me out of frustration and into fun.
    One of the reasons I'm so adamant about SLP is that mastery of the basics is the #1 challenge for the huge majority of casters. It progresses to mastering the basics with a variety of lines and styles, no cheating allowed there. Otherwise, we can draw wrong conclusions and go off into dead ends, then wonder why it happened. As shorter heads have become the norm, shorter every year, we risk losing touch with the foundations of good casting.
    It's essential, IMHO, to be able to control a fully loaded rod with heads of substantial length, IF the quest is for top casting form. But for many guys that's not the quest. I just would never try to set myself up as an "expert" unless I can prove, on the spot, that I can walk the talk. Because there's always guys like me around, ready to call bullshit...and that's as it should be. Again, IMHO.

    It appears we have achieved the magic twenty pages in this thread.
     
  3. fisshman26

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    ET.........phone home!!!
     
  4. yuhina

    yuhina Tropical member

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    James, Thanks for summarizing Greg's points for me! Whew... I really got lost at some point... I totally agree with you! This is such a productive and wonderful thread!!

    At least when comparing to "the sister thread"... well... I just checking it again over there this morning, it seems there have a little progressive... Maybe too many Greenish "Butt"s buzzing in that thread?! and try to figure out how ET force work? :rofl: Ha...at least it is a really entertaining thread over there...I am honored. Happy New Year!! My friends! : )

    Mark
     
  5. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    this video explains everything.
    http://youtu.be/yryV-5TfwvE

    I'm kind of busy right now, but I'll answer all your questions in 100 posts or so.
     
  6. Roger Stephens

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    Are or will you be writing a book? If you are, I am will be anxious to read it;)!

    Roger
     
  7. Greg Holt

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    James,
    see revised post point #3, personal mail sent directly to you. (Mark as well, for whatever it's worth). Thanks for the attitude check.
    Greg
     
  8. yuhina

    yuhina Tropical member

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    Hey friends,

    Just had a wonderful casting gathering with some friends this evening! Jerry, Fred, Mary and Lisa... What a day to end the fabulous year!
    see the little video clip below... : )

    Jerry picked up the ET force first time about 5 minutes of practice... his "chisel loop" is like a hot knife cut thought the butter...:thumb:
    Z-Axis 1016 and TFO 6/7 13' in action, with the rage line... Oops, it is light line style too... Happy New Year!!! my friends! Mark




    TCX 7126, Airflo Rage 360 grain + 10 poly. Great feel, wonderful set match! :D


    Squirrel? Lemming? toilet brush? or just a wind resistance dry fly? What a day on the water!! :D
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  9. Dan Page

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    Sorry Mark,
    No offense intended, but I just can't buy it.
    This is not something new under the sun.
    You are accurately describing a cast that works well, but it' s not a new force.
    That's just how I'm seeing it.

    Green Butt
     
  10. Greg Holt

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    Dan,
    I'm officially starting a contest here to create the best name for the "ET" force. Enter as often as you like. Winner to be announced at a later date. No prize will be awarded (unless Mark donates a cap with "ET" logo). The only rule is to be decently civil.

    My entries: ET--Excess Testosterone, Evidently Theoretical

    The good ones will soon be gone, act now!

    Greg
     
  11. Dan Page

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    Greg,
    Wow, to be decently civil is a rare thing these days. That you put this in the equation speaks much for you imo.
    I am honored to be involved with all participants of this thread that have been decently civil. Actually, I think this whole thread has overall been decently civil, compared to some. To press understandings of our passion can be a challenging thing.
    So, where I am at is trying to figure out if this type of cast is a new force or just a nuance on an old story. At the moment I'm thinking it's an old story.
    Anyway, Happy New years to all of you guys.
    For the ET contest I'll submit Eccentric Thinking!!
     
  12. James Waggoner

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    Greg, no apology needed. I wasn't trying to bust your chops. I was just trying to point out, that most of us are experienced enough to draw our own conclusions. Mark, keep it up, your free thinking is encouraging...remember Gallo was ridiculed and even imprisoned for saying the earth revolved around the sun, and we all know how that turned out.

     
  13. yuhina

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    Hey Dan,

    I TOTALLY AGREE with you!! This is NOT something new... I am sure people have been doing this for many many years...[/SIZE]

    as I have said many times...The "NEW" thing here is to describe it in mechanic wise. And to acknowledge the DIFFERENCE concept from the SLRTP, please see my post #1.:thumb:

    Most importantly, modify it in your different fishing situations to suit your need!! please see post #230.

    Imagine a scenario: one day your student come to you and tell you he/she want to learn skagit Ed Ward style. Would you try to convince him/her SLRTP concept is important? and tell him/her SLRTP is the only way to make a tight/perfect loop?

    I don't know you are the Green Butt... sorry... take back the joke I made!

    Cheers, Sincerely,

    BTW, First post of 2012! Happy New Year to you all!!

    Mark
     
  14. yuhina

    yuhina Tropical member

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    Hey James, great stuff,

    I am saying the same thing to Greg's PM. I had a lot of fun here... and knowing he is a straight kind hearted guy! We are just try to teasing each other here for good will's sake! : )

    Take care,

    Mark
     
  15. yuhina

    yuhina Tropical member

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    Another Puzzle / Hint / Gift for you guys who interested in casting mechanics for the brand new year...
    Noted the fly at this moment is still in the water, the slack line inside the rod tip is slacking out (the wiggle). the loop trajectory and the rod tip position :thumb:

    Cheers,

    Mark