in search of a perfect loop



Another Puzzle / Hint / Gift for you guys who interested in casting mechanics for the brand new year...
Noted the fly at this moment is still in the water, the slack line inside the rod tip is slacking out (the wiggle). the loop trajectory and the rod tip position :thumb:

Cheers,

Mark
Mark, I'm ready to accept this gift anytime. Just curious what you say this picture is illustrating. Thanks.

My vote is for Erroneous Transfer, but Eat Tilapia is a close second.
 

Dan Cuomo

Active Member
Came late to this thread, and was/am sad to find that it degenerated into something less than it could have been. Hope it gets back on track.
 

James Mello

Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"
James, Kerry, I think you're wrong, though you're entitled to your opinions.
I've made more actual contribution to this discussion than both of you put together.
I've also questioned and belittled a stupid idea. I just want to see the beef. I suspect concepts behind the thread, question the logic, and want to see some proof that the laws of physics have been rewritten. I also want to see if this is a buch of theoretical hot air or whether Yuhina can back up his assertions or not. So far, not.

Other attempts at starting flame wars with me haven't worked out well, pay attention to that pattern... but if you have something to contribute, let's hear it.
I'll stay on point and topic.
I'm not sure how my post was something to start a flame war. I was simply reminding you that we really like the discussion, just not the personal attacks. Also, there is nothing wrong with asking about showing the real meat, but tone is just as important as content.
 
Mark, sorry but I fail to see the continous roll on the forward cast in your video but I do notice one thing that is pretty important in this converstation, I will let you figure it out and also how much overhang is essential to the rolling trebuchet cast? It does not appear you have more than a couple feet at most. Do you think that this continous roll in the manner that you did the cast in the video would work for a longer floating line?
Hey Bruce,

Sorry, I really want to end this thread, so I no longer take new questions. There are just too much unwanted energy in this thread. I think for some of us, it is a good time to call it end for good. Maybe you can start another thread,and if I find my time, I will participate. :thumb:

Take care, brother
sincerely,

Mark


Mark, looks like you are back in the conversation so thought this was relavent, it also shows up in the pic of Ed casting where you pointed out where his fly is.

ET= Everyone Thinks........(they are an expert on the internet)
 

yuhina

Tropical member
Mark, looks like you are back in the conversation so thought this was relavent, it also shows up in the pic of Ed casting where you pointed out where his fly is.

ET= Everyone Thinks........(they are an expert on the internet)
Bruce,

No, I am not. Sorry to disappoint you. I was here to finish Greg's requests. And put up some additional New Year's wishes for my friends.

It is tempting indeed, particularly your top hand comment made me laugh so hard... I would think you know skagit casting.

But apparently it is very limited. Sorry, no offense intended, there are more in skagit casting than what you think... by reading your posts though out the thread only give me some indications and impressions that it seems you already know it all... in your world of course.

The thread has been taking over, so keep it going my friends...

BTW, together to answer you and Brandy's question, the Ed's casting image captured from a video indeed is a puzzle gift, a puzzle with some instructions of how to read it, see post #300. You don't expect "buying" a puzzle and wish it has been already put together and finished! Don't you?!

Best wishes!

Mark
 
Bruce,

No, I am not. Sorry to disappoint you. I was here to finish Greg's requests. And put up some additional New Year's wishes for my friends.

It is tempting indeed, particularly your top hand comment made me laugh so hard... I would think you know skagit casting.

But apparently it is very limited. Sorry, no offense intended, there are more in skagit casting than what you think... by reading your posts though out the thread only give me some indications and impressions that it seems you already know it all... in your world of course.

The thread has been taking over, so keep it going my friends...

BTW, together to answer you and Brandy's question, the Ed's casting image captured from a video indeed is a puzzle gift, a puzzle with some instructions of how to read it, see post #300. You don't expect "buying" a puzzle and wish it has been already put together and finished! Don't you?!

Best wishes!

Mark
Seems we have to reply with quotes with you Mark ;-) so that the truth does not go missing. As I recall I have deleted nothing that I have posted.
How open minded of you to not reply, do you not know the answer? As I had asked the question long before the aforementioned picture of Ed it would seem I do know the answer to the puzzle and much more, but that is another thread altogether about being open minded................
My statement of your casting video still stands, and what you think of my knowledge well......lets just say, well, lets not say anything as the posts and the discussions speak for themeselves.
Happy New Year Mark, phone home
 

SpeySpaz

still an authority on nothing
I'm not sure how my post was something to start a flame war. I was simply reminding you that we really like the discussion, just not the personal attacks. Also, there is nothing wrong with asking about showing the real meat, but tone is just as important as content.
Yours wasn't, James. Chronologic proximity to Kerry's post, batching for efficiency, that's my excuse.
Frankly, I usually avoid getting deeply involved in one of these threads and studiously avoid conflict, taunting or barbs, but decided to have a little fun... and it has been fun. It's fun watching Mark go into either denial ordiversion every time one of us ask for him to quit teasing and go for the money shot... because real casters aren't fluffers.
Credibility on the internet is not a life goal for me, so the counsel, while I'm sure you're giving it in good faith, has not too much gravitas, hope you don't take that personally. Given with all due respect.

The "ad hominem" argument has worn very thin by now.
Back to the point...a somewhat misguided casting theory that will "change the world"....oops! I was just compensating for excessive overhang and poor shortbelly technique.
 
BTW, together to answer you and Brandy's question, the Ed's casting image captured from a video indeed is a puzzle gift, a puzzle with some instructions of how to read it, see post #300. You don't expect "buying" a puzzle and wish it has been already put together and finished! Don't you?!
Mark, I really think this post is a good example of why the way you have communicated has not been received graciously by everyone. As if we are a group of students that need to figure out what you have already been enlightened to, or that we are recipients of a gift you may or may not decide to lay upon us. I think most everyone here is open minded, and I certainly don't think you should't dive into casting mechanics and analyze to your heart's content,....but you didn't present any of this as an idea you've been kicking around that you wanted to bounce off a group of peers. You presented everything as hard and fast "findings"....that unfortunately, we must just be too dim to understand if we don't agree with you.
 

yuhina

Tropical member
Mark, I really think this post is a good example of why the way you have communicated has not been received graciously by everyone. As if we are a group of students that need to figure out what you have already been enlightened to, or that we are recipients of a gift you may or may not decide to lay upon us. I think most everyone here is open minded, and I certainly don't think you should't dive into casting mechanics and analyze to your heart's content,....but you didn't present any of this as an idea you've been kicking around that you wanted to bounce off a group of peers. You presented everything as hard and fast "findings"....that unfortunately, we must just be too dim to understand if we don't agree with you.
Hey Brady,

Yes, Well, I agree.. This particular post is not my style. as you can tell it is half teasing to Bruce, and to you. But why? the reason is very obvious... I don't need to mention all those ugly things again. Why I took my time to answer Greg's requests one by one carefully? Because I can sense his intentions is different than some people here. I might be wrong, of course. But in the current status of this thread. I have state clearly, I have no interest to involve in deeper discussion. (See my post #313 point four.)

Secondly, You don't need to say any thing about my style of posting, it is very clear and state in the whole thread. As I stated earlier, this is a group discussion, if you will... post up what you think, there are more experienced skagit casters here than I, they might come up with some brilliant solutions than the one I have (and believe me, I post the image here not for teasing, but is sincerely to encourage people to look at the cast more closely).

In my mind, group discussion has more merits than just one talking. I come here for sharing and for learning from each other. IF you simply want to get answers from me, you have miss out the whole point of posting on the internet. And I am not here for giving out what I got, I want to learn too. The posting from me has taken up way too much time and I hope you understand the idea is not a one man show... Looking back, James has some really good points, Trevor has good suggestions and Greg asked some brilliant questions that I never seen in the past. I have learn a lot from this thread indeed. (To me, this is the merits and attraction of group discussions). But the merit is also lie on the "processing" itself, I am sure many people will look at skagit casting (in Ed Ward's style) differently after this thread. At least Ed Ward himself has express this to me in the Skagitmaster.com. So please do not just focus on THE answers. There are plenty of wisdoms has been spoken in this thread from ALL THE PARTICIPANTS. Of course this is just my opinion, you can ask any questions you want, and I am sure all other experienced people will jump in, if not intimidated by the negative attitudes brought up by a very few...

Cheers,

Mark
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
Yuhina,

I have found this thread interesting, but not fascinating, mainly because I'm not accomplished enough in either Spey casting or physics to achieve understanding. I appreciate that you've tried to offer up some explanations, even though I don't understand them. However, I do understand English grammar and composition pretty well. Well enough to understand that you have made plenty of errors in communication. You posted above in #327, " . . . You don't need to say any thing about my style of posting, it is very clear and state . . ." Even that sentence is a clear example that you don't write in English for shit. I have long assumed from your posts in many threads that English is a second language for you, so I extend you the benefit of doubt when I don't quite understand your sometimes garbled posts. This has been an extra-ordinarily technical thread, and all the more difficult for me to understand, due at least in part to your limitations in communicating in English.

As a result, after more than 300 posts in what may be the longest thread on Spey casting ever, I still don't know if a decent cast with a reasonably tight loop is possible with anything other than a straight line rod tip path. Yet it has been interesting.

Sg
 
Mark, I have to agree with Salmo g, but I believe you have good intentions.

I have found skagit casting to be fairly easy, probably because I began spey casting with a double taper then graduated to xlt and other long belly lines. I find casting skagit heads easy and comfortable if I remember to slow down, keep my elbows in close, make shorter motions and use my left hand. I don't necessarily find it important to form a tight loop, although I like a tight loop for scandi casting. I woudn't say it's simple to do, because I see many people struggling with their skagit casting. Most appear to be having problems forming a D loop or they might not have a properly matched line and tip for their rod.

If you watch Ed he is relaxed and takes his time making the cast, you appear to hurry.