LOL again Bob Holy egalitarianism batman, Granted that the chuck and duck thing is out of control on the coastal rivers for steelies, not fishing with SI ever is a little wierd. What happened to common sense and moderation? What about the great SI techniques for chiro fishing? There are days, rivers, and flies that SI is just made for. Just as there are places where it is unnecessary, and others where it is inappropriate. I recall watching fish below Flaming Gorge on the Green river where the huge rainbows would follow the fly and taste it while drifting with the fly. You would never see a strike indicator move with those fish. I also have a certain amount of disdain for the large gaudy hanks of colored yarn sold nowadays. That said, some days fishing a nymph upstream with a SI is the equivalent of dry fly fishing to me, and the waters are such that the strikes would be indectable without an SI. I had some success for steelies last year with a pattern called a toilet seat cover. It is a lightly weighted egg pattern fished upstream with an SI. To each his own. Equating chuck and duck with all SI fishing is a little extremist. Rob.