indicators in fly only water?

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by I love babies, Jul 16, 2014.

  1. FinLuver

    FinLuver Active Member

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    In Washington may be legal, but check the regs in Oregon...not so much on certain river(s) and time of year.
     
  2. underachiever

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    Besides the fly only stretch of the NU is there any other water where indicators are prohibited?
     
  3. ChaseBallard

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    If you want to nymph, the NF stilly is small enough you can tightline / czech-style dead drift heavy nymphs and lead eye spey-style flies (aka the fly version of jigs) through most slots and around log jams and structure easily with no indicator.

    Is fishing with an indicator and no split shot on Washington fly-only waters legal? Yes. Is it a damn slap in the face to the oldest fly fishing river in the U.S. of A. and to the pioneers who fished it like Roderick Haig Brown? Yes.

    You can barely know how to cast 20 feet with a single-handed rod from wal-mart and still catch steelhead on the swing in that river, assuming you're fishing where the fish are. Why bust out the bobbers?
     
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  4. stilly stalker

    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    Well..... I totally agree with you 100%
     
  5. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    I'm thinking I'd like to slap me some faces! Why are we doing this dang indicator/swing thing again. The superiority complex that some swingers have is down right hilarious. You just don't find indicator fisherman self righteously continuing to put down another group of fisherman. Why is it so dang hard for the swing crowd to understand that many indicator fisherman don't indicator fish just so they can "put themselves up some big numbers", but instead they do it because that is how they like to fish, it is how they enjoy fishing. I for one would rather fish with an indicator than anything else, I love the constant mending, feeding line, watching, staying in-tune with every little thing that river has to offer, working each slot, eddy, rip, etc... in its turn, waiting for that indicator to pause, twitch, turn, dip dive and then setting the hook up and waiting breathlessly for that moment of contact with life below. I understand it all at that moment, I experience the sight fishery of a swung dry, the head shake of swung fly and then the fight all in one. It is how I prefer the art form of fly fishing for steelhead.
     
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    If you talk to a lot of the old timers on that river you'll find thst the whole indicator thing is pretty frowned upon, and not what they had in mind for that rivers designation.

    No one can MAKE you not use a bobber....but if
    You're fishing a river with some of the grabbiest fish around, maybe give swinging, greased lining, dead drifting, or skating a try. Expand your repertoire and become a more confident all around fly fisherman. If you're bobber fishing that river I think you're selling yourself short of the whole experience. Deer creek fish chase flies down on the swing. Don't you want in on that?

    The tug is the drug, right?
     
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    That is why I spelled it "river(s)"....not sure if there is "another" in Oregon ;)
     
  8. I love babies

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    Sounds like nf stilly is definitely not the place to indicator fish even if it is legal. The reason I brought it up is there are a lot of holes with weird currents that make it not really possible to swing. I guess a weighted nymph or jig like fly dead drifted is what I will try next time! Sorry for starting a shitstorm with this thread I'm kind of a newb and didn't realize how people frowned upon an indicator on the nf stilly
     
  9. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    Did you not read my post? No, I don't want in on that and for me the tug is not the drug, it is a drug, one that I feel after I hook a fish with an indicator. I've expanded my repertoire as you say and have done it all and believe it or I guess not in your case I like using indicators, once again, more than anything else. Why is this concept so hard to believe? You must be young.
     
  10. stilly stalker

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    Not that young. 34

    Maybe my opinion of fly only water has been shaped by fishing side by side with some of the old timers that worked so hard to protect thst water. Maybe standing next to Mike Kinney and others even older than he while fishing runs that have a history as old as summer run flyfishing in Washington has skewed my opinion on what these fish and thst water deserves. I like the idea of tradition. I also like new school intruder fishing, but I really like the idea of doing things the way the people that put their souls into protecting that stretch of water wanted things done.
    I used to live in a friends house ON the Stilly right below deer creek. Before that I spent 3 summers from June 15th to August 15th living in a tent on their property so I could fish that river 14 hrs a day seven days a week. I love that river more than I can express to you or to anyone. I would snorkel it, fish it, confront poachers on it, bring women on dates to its gravel bars, and talk to every person i could about its traditions. I met Alec Jackson on the gravel bar below deer creek, and listened to him expound upon why he liked to use gold hooks at twilight. I listened to people who have fished that river faithfully for over 50 years tell me about the way it used to be, and YES, my opinion about that fly water has been shaped by those peoples opinions.
     
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    Well then you are doing it wrong, and not really enjoying yourself like you think you are.

    Personally, I only hook steelhead while skipping my skater across the top of the water. If the fish hits it while it is actually touching the water, then it doesn't count.

    Is how I fish any more difficult than how everybody else fishes? Of course not. Its just less effective, and how I think it should be done.

    Flyfishing any other way is fking lame.
     
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  13. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    Travel far enough back in time and there is no such thing as "tradition", therefor I believe it is a myth created by those who want things done their way. This is what I believe, but I do not for a second begrudge those who like the idea of tradition and choose to practice there form of tradition/beliefs I do not believe though that those who follow tradition are in anyway superior to me in their believes. Sounds like you had a great time on the water those years and I can see how you would pine for things to stay the way you envision them. I get it and would be happy to share the experience the river with you. I have my own rivers that I revere and parts of the Stilly make up that collection. I honestly believe that there is room for multiple thoughts in this process. I have time this summer, I bet we could teach each other a thing or two. Maybe a North/South kind of thing.
     
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    I refuse to post in another steelhead/indicator thread.
     
  15. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    Oh sop, here we go again. I will fish with an indicator there when I get the chance and I will not feel like I'm disrespectful because I'm fishing in a legal way enjoying my time on the water. I will not let a small handful of traditionalist for a second ruin that for me. They may have been a vocal minority but there was another majority that pushed for the rule change as well, only some didn't get their perfect wish of what they envisioned.

    No sop you can not "roll" into my property and proceed to get blazed, it is not legal, but honestly I wouldn't really care. Goes back to that whole no one can make you feel inferior without your consent.

    I love that you say you don't want to belabor the discussion yet you keep it going anyway. Tacky and classless, classic superiority/self righteous rhetoric that is somehow said to make me less of a man or a fisher. You "Nailed It". As far as knowing it is a cultural no no, I know that some people frown upon it but I don't believe for a second that even close to a majority of folks believe the same thing. If people are honestly this up in arms about the whole thing then start your petitions now to get the rule clearly changed stop beeatchin about and do something about it.
     
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