noah, i knew older folks now deceased, who told stories of silvers in the pilchuck river, thick enough to walk on, and that folks around snohomish would make trips to the river for several gunny sacks full, for garden fertilizer! stories of the steelhead limit being 6 a day, catching the limit from one hole on the pilchuck, and 20# fish being common! quoting gt, "every individual who is directly employed in agencies that are managing our fisheries has a direct obligation to speak out. it is with that voice that the policy maker will have to contend." gt, this is something i have said for years, and i am dismayed by the unwillingness of those who know the truth of what's going on, but won't speak up. i think the biggest reason for this is the state/union retirement pension/benefits these individuals stand to collect eventually. these retirement benefits have come to amounting to nothing more than bribes to silence anyone who might speak up. who in any of these agencies is going to dare speak up, if the result is losing your financial future? and depending on how far away retirement is, some keep quiet to keep their jobs and opportunities for promotions. promotions= bigger saleries and retirement benefits. so, for the sake of $$$$$, silence is golden. meanwhile, our salmon/steelhead resources continue to decline. in closing, i'm to a point now that i don't buy into the habitat excuse. habitat is sometimes just another place to point the finger, something else to blame. overcommercialization of all things wild, greed, lies, deception, agendas- personal and unspoken by individuals, organizations and special interest. no body want to do the tough thing, everyone is looking for a loophole. the state of our wildlife resources gets sadder by the year, meanwhile politicians lie, make loopholes for their "friends" and tax and spend. somehow people are convinced that if they throw enough money at the problem, it will go away. yet there is no proof that that has ever worked. the columbia river salmon issue is just one example to prove that. take care.