Into the Alpine Lakes Wilderness

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  1. Joe Goodfellow

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    That's what a outlet is its between to small lakes.
     
  2. Joe Goodfellow

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    The bigger one is from a different place
     
  3. jason.allen

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    looks like a hybrid to me. It's dorsal fin doesnt have any white on it. i was at a high lake the other day and caught several white finned cuttys. none the less they are beautiful fish
     
  4. Lugan

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    I think this is a coastal cutt from a tannic stained stream. I have one such stream in my annual routine and the fish look just like that. The upper jaw extending past the eye plus spotting over most of the body are the clues. That pink/brown rainbow-ish stripe is also common on coastal cutts.
     
  5. dflett68

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    thats intersting input lugan. the fish immediately upstream and down from this one were identical except for not looking like they spent the day in a smoker. this one came from under a log jam, but here it is in collage of fish which all came from within a 100 yards of each other:

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  6. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    Those all look like coastal cutts from tannic stained water to me. On the other hand, when coastal cutts and rainbows hybridize, it gets really tricky, and there could be some rainbow in those fish. My strictly amateur eye makes me think the fish in your lower-right photo might have some rainbow genes. I could easily be over-ruled by one of our resident fish biologists though.
     
  7. WonkyWapiti

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    The more I look at this thread, the more I want to start planning a trip for next summer. I'm gonna talk to my buddies tonight about this.
     
  8. dflett68

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    i'd love others to chime in as well. the fish in the upper left and lower right are the same fish. i have assumed they were bows and i am still inclined to think so. i posted a couple of these on another thread that preston chimed in on and so far no one has suggested cutts but you, but that wasn't really the question on that particular thread. i could easily imagine them as cutt-bows if an expert suggested it, but i still think the overall feel of the body, mouth, and coloration is that of a rainbow. these fish are small but out of this world beautiful and i haven't personally seen others like them in any washington stream but the one i caught them in. might have to head back out there again tonight!

    btw, lugan, while we're at it - this fish also came from the same stream but was much larger. seems like a bow to me also, what's your impression?

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  9. Joe Goodfellow

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    I'll take you to my stream if you take me to yours
     
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    that's a deal man! pm me.
     
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  12. fivefish

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    Those are definitely cutts, not goldens. I live within a couple hours drive from both Little Kern and Volcano Creek strains of goldens and have caught many.
     
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    Identification of small trout can be tricky. Color can vary considerably depending on environment and other factors. The best way to differentiate between cutthroat and rainbows is to feel the back of the tongue for basibranchial teeth (cutthroat have 'em, rainbows don't). Formerly called hyoid teeth they are present as a triangular patch on the back of the tongue. In the case of hybrids, however, they may be reduced or absent. After all, the cutthroat and rainbow evolved from a common ancestor only a mere two million years ago. Hybridization is very common in the intermountain west where the rainbow is an invasive alien spread primarily by hatchery stocking programs. It is less so on the west side of the Cascades where the cutthroat and rainbow co-evolved and have existed sympatrically for millenia.

    In Washington, westslope cutthroat are thought to be native only to a relatively small area of the eastern slope of the north Cascades (including the Chelan and Methow basins); because of the physical separation of this stock from other westslope cutthroat populations, it has been suggested that they were actually introduced by man at an early date. In 1903 the Twin Lakes hatchery began stocking westslopes extensively in previously barren alpine lakes throughout the state and this has led to reproducing populations being established in many lakes and streams (a notable example being the Yakima River basin). Normally westslope cutthroat can be differentiated from coastal cutthroat by their spotting patterns. Coastal cutthroat are uniformly spotted to below the lateral line while westslopes usually lack any spots below the lateral line in an arc from the head to the insertion of the anal fin.
     
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  14. Teenage Entomologist

    Teenage Entomologist Gotta love the pteronarcys.

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    Golden Trout are native to California, my home state. Those aren't true native Goldens, they look like a hybrid of a cutt and a golden. They're nice, and beautiful pics. I love wilderness fishing.
     
  15. dflett68

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    sky. nowhere near the columbia.