Is hunting bad?

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  1. Upton O

    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    I'm wondering if you are concerned with morality, ethics, biology, or safety of hunting, or just like throwing grenades on to a forum............

    I was taking heat from a group on nurses on an inpatient unit at the VA hospital in Seattle. They were mostly anti-hunters and couldn't understand why I wanted to shoot a moose that I had taken in Canada. I asked each of the nurses in the group if any of them had eaten meat in the past 24 hours. They all indicated that at least one meal consisted of some form of meat (chicken, beef, pork, fish, lamb). I asked if they had killed the meat, they said "no". I asked if they knew who did kill the animal the meat came from. They said "no". I then offered the observation that they were actually scavengers of the kill of others. I, on the other hand, was a predator that preferred to kill my own meat. I also told them that this was not a value or judgement thing. Scavengers are necessary and normal part of life's system as are the predators. That group of nurses scattered like a busted covey of quail.

    What's the old Leoupold quote? "You don't have to kill to hunt, but until you have killed you have never hunted"?
     
  2. Gary C. Brown

    Gary C. Brown Les Paul Lover

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    Simple answer really, NO.
     
  3. hap

    hap Member

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    Actually I think you meant Jose Ortega y Gasset and “One does not hunt in order to kill; one kills in order to have hunted.”

    Before anyone goes off on how killing predators is bad I must ask if you have problems with predators killing people... They can and will do that and killing some (hunting) keeps the rest honest.
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  4. Roper

    Roper Idiot Savant

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    Humans have not arrived at the top of the food chain by invitation. It's taken thousands of years of hard work and innovation. It has allowed us to become masters of the planet, and of late, the destroyers.

    Humans have what seems to be a constant hunger for more of anything, never satisfied with "enough".

    In this sense, hunting can be bad. If we are not stewards of wildlife, we are the consumer as in so many other instances.

    Here's my rules:
    Never kill anything I won't eat.
    Kill as quickly and as cleanly as possible.
    Never take more than the limit, or what I can use readily.
    Waste as little as possible.
    Always give thanks at the end of the hunt...
     
  5. UptheCreek

    UptheCreek Member

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    Roper,

    Man has always been on top of the food chain. "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.'" - Genesis 1:26

    That was day 6 of the beginning of EARTH so I think that means we didn't take 1,000's of years to get there if you know what I mean.
     
  6. Matt Burke

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    Get a grip. In this economy, it may be the only way some folks eat. And the way things are going, if you don't remember your genetic encoding over the last 30,000 years, you might end up starving too.
     
  7. Matt Burke

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    Upton O Good, that was awesome.
     
  8. Rocket Red

    Rocket Red Vegetarian Cannibal

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    Go hunting, it is awesome.

    It is the best way I know to get simple protein, and know how the meat was handled from death to table. If you feed your family with meat that you harvested, aged, and prepared, it makes the meal that much more meaningful.

    And as we saw above, we have either a) evolved to be at the top of the food chain, or b) Jesus wants us to kill animals. So take your pick and try it sometime, it is another great way to participate in the outdoors, and provide food for you and your family.
     
  9. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    Maybe, maybe not. If you have never Hunted, skinned, butchered, and preserved meat before, I hope that you are never in a position where you "Have" to. Contrary to popular opinion, it is a learned skill, not an instinct. Try taking a hunters safety course and make your own decision. :thumb:
     
  10. jcalderon

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    Im not sure who your president is, but mine will just rob Peter to par Paul. "(hat's a whole different discussion) I'm sick of hearing about how "the economy" is the reason people are doing all kinds of whacky shit. The economy has become a scape goat for the radical actions of alot of greedy people. Even if the greed is on a small scale.

    Hunt if you get enjoyment out of it and you are not doing anything immoral to you, or illegal.

    Not attacking anyone here, but if i keep hearing about this economy business, I might go crazy.
     
  11. Itchy Dog

    Itchy Dog Some call me Kirk Werner

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    I agree, Roper. Just to clarify, it's taken a couple hundred thousands of years :ray1: But even that is up for debate, because how far back into history (or pre-history) do we go before the term "man" is not accurate? When our ancestors began walking upright, were we "man"? Even after we had we climbed down out of the trees and decided to walk/run upright across the plains, did we run in pursuit of or from other members of the predator groups? I would agree that we were not at the top of the food chain, yet. As you noted, for many thousands of years early man (and even modern Homo Sapiens) was easy pickin's for large, four-legged predators. Even once we developed basic tools for hunting, we were still at a horrendous disadvantage. Over the course of many more thousands of years, as our brains evolved further and our tools became more effective, we gradually developed the potential for superiority over other critters and became the Alpha predator. But even still, without modern hunting tools, we're easy pickin's. I pray to God I don't ever have to face a bear or cougar, because even with my relatively large brain, descended larynx and opposable thumb, I don't stand a chance one on one. Sorry, I maybe straying off topic a bit. ;)
     
  12. Porter

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    If you believe that..yeah, but science says otherwise and it did take 1000's of years. The bible is a book of stories and there were and are millions of people that have never heard of it and have their own (book of) stories.

    Roper gave a great answer.
     
  13. troutcatcher6

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    Some of my friends.:cool:
     
  14. Jergens

    Jergens AKA Joe Willauer

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  15. Gary Thompson

    Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    troutcatcher6,
    You need to take a long hard look at your friends.
    If you want I'll be your friend and we can go hunt together.
    Man, sticks, meat, fire. hmmmmmmm, good!!!
    Fishing is hunting also.