Ive been experimenting with "reversed spiders" tied with mylar legs to combine movement with a bit of flash and had some success this summer. A comment about spinners on another board had me thinking why screw around with the frilly stuff and put some "real" flash into a reversed spider pattern. The problem was I didn't have any standard fly materials that really had comparable flash to a spinner or spoon. That changed Christmas morning when some very durable mylar ribbon came off one of the presents. An ugly first attempt, but I'm curious to see how those legs behave when the current is bending them back.