I've never seen a guide do this before...

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  1. GAT

    GAT Dumbfounded

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    Trapper, it's only illegal to fish from a drift boat on The Deschutes.
     
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  2. hydrological

    hydrological beads are NOT flies and snagging is just ghetto

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    yep, that too.
     
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    The guide we float with in MT does this occasionally, but more often simply rowing back up to get another shot, or two, or three at great holding spots. And he'll only do this if there are no other boats close behind.
     
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    I used to do this all the time on the =
    Eastfork lewis
    Trask
    Mollala
    Sandy
    Washougal
    Kilchis

    And any other river when needed. In smaller fast rivers on corners it's easier to jump out and pull the boat from the anchor system to line up for a fast section that takes the boat into a wall or downed tree. One spot on the Trask I get out every time and guide the boat with the anchor system on back to keep the current from taking the boat under over hanging trees - than I watch the dumb asses that try and row it do 180's and 360's under the over hang braking rods and almost losing their boats! If you haven't done it in a drifter you should start fishing (AND ROWING) HARDER RIVERS!
     
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    I knew that it was illegal on the Deschutes back in the mid-1990s, the last time I fished it. I assumed it was all of Oregon. Was it on all rivers back in the mid 1990s or just the Deschutes?

    I never got an explanation that made any sense.

    Trapper
     
  6. Luke77

    Luke77 I hope she likes whitefish

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    Yes, this and rowing laps in good holes is standard guide practices.
     
  7. hydrological

    hydrological beads are NOT flies and snagging is just ghetto

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    if only it were true. wouldnt it be heaven ?
     
  8. GAT

    GAT Dumbfounded

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    There is an advantage to the no fishing from a boat on the Deschutes. The trout can find "safe haven" in the river because you can't reach some areas by wading. This means larger trout because the trout that live in the safe haven areas have a chance to grow quite large and are only caught when they venture elsewhere in the river.

    The guides and others may not like the regulation but as far the general population who fish the river are concerned, it is a good regulation.
     
  9. Derek Young

    Derek Young Emerging Rivers Guide Services

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    Seriously? I've done it maybe three times in six years. "Standard" practice should be recognizing when an opportunity is coming and prepare the caster(s) ahead of time, with a description of the dynamics of the shot they're going to get at a particular spot, and how to be successful - which doesn't always mean catching the fish.



     
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    GAT Dumbfounded

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    You lost me...
     
  11. Luke77

    Luke77 I hope she likes whitefish

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    I guess I'm willing to give beginners a second shot at the opportunity of a good fish.
     
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    Derek Young Emerging Rivers Guide Services

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    Rowing laps in good holes is quite different than giving beginners a second shot. It's a tactic that draws far more criticism than praise.

    GAT, let me clarify. If the person rowing the boat, a guide or not, knows that a particular place holds a fish, and prepares the people casting ahead of time, it can be a great learning opportunity. Being able to describe exactly how a run/slot/line is going to fish not only builds credibility for the rower, but the angler learns to recognize when similar situations come again - that creates opportunities and confidence.

    Rowing laps isn't creating opportunity, it's a crutch.
     
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    Luke77 I hope she likes whitefish

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    Ok, so rowing laps is okay if you have righteous intentions, but if you just want to catch fish it's not? Not sure why the attack as I would consider us friends, but Ok. We'll take it offline.
     
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    I would be fine rowing laps for baby yakima trout.

    For steelhead I think it's a dick move unless I'm in the boat.
     
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    Derek Young Emerging Rivers Guide Services

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    Don't take it personal Luke. You made a broad generalization of a practice that isn't standard IMHO and I'm providing another perspective.

    Again to clarify, not being righteous here. If I caused the angler to miss the presentation, I'll walk it back up and correct my mistake. Fishing a run over and over, rowing in circles, especially for a beginner teaches the wrong lesson.
     
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