kinda haunting...

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  1. bjornjon

    bjornjon Active Member

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    I've grown up in and around the woods my whole life. I've never personally had a close encounter, and neither have any of my friends or family...until deer hunting season two years ago. We hunt up in northeastern Washington in very remote areas. One of my good buddies was hunting with a small group and contacted the others on his two way radio that he thought there was a cougar stalking him. A few minutes later they heard a gunshot. Less than 30 seconds later they heard him on the radio saying he just shot the cougar and it fell less than 10 feet from him. A rifle saved him from a potentially fatal encounter.

    On the flip side of the coin, my roomate is a forester and spends at least 40 hours of his week on remote mountain sides and refuses to carry a gun saying, "just be aware of your surroundings."

    To each his own.

    I choose to carry a mossberg 8 shot pistol grip shotgun loaded with a couple of slugs. It fits into a nice side pocket of my backpack that I can access in 2-3 seconds. I've never had to use it and I hope I never will, just like my car insurance. It's mostly for when I'm on the trail or in my tent, because it's not easy to function with while fishing.
     
  2. cj6530

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    I was stalked by a cougar last night at Daniels Broiler in Lake Union. I choose to carry a 1 or 2 shot gun with a shorter barrel of prob under 6 inches. I felt like it was a potentialy fatal encounter and slayed the cougar in a dark corner of the parking lot. Be safe out there.
     
  3. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    you shot a cougar in a parking lot in Seattle last night?:eek::eek::eek:
     
  4. Oinker Inkers

    Oinker Inkers New Member

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    Another option you might think about is one of those plastic 12 ga. flare guns. They weigh only a few ounces and fit easily in a pocket. I've never had the chance to try it, but I would guess that a loud, hot, bright flare in the face of any critter would make it think twice. Not to mention if you get lost or hurt, which is a much more real concern, you have a flare gun. Not a bad firestarter, either.

    Also, it has long been my observation that carrying a weapon tends to be a substitute for common sense.
     
  5. jcnewbie

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    iagree...totally!! For most people, carrying a firearm for protection is more of a "feel-good illusion" than a truly useful implement - primarily due to the above stated conditions. If you have to "think" about what you are going to do, it'll be waaay to late; actions/reactions must be trained by repetitive actions until "muscle memory" is total - no thinking required! You think - you die, simple!

    Fine motor control completely disappears or "freezes" under adrenaline duress and coarse (large muscles) muscles control dominates reactive responses.

    150,000 rounds of practice per year is not uncommon for International pistol competitors and even personal handloaded ammunition in those quantities can only be accomplished on automated equipment in your basement or shop.:thumb:

    Class dismissed.....:ray1:

    JC:beer1:
     
  6. steelydan

    steelydan Newb seeking wisdom

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    This post is useless without pictures!

    Was there multiple stabbing-type motions or did the shot go off as soon as the weapon came out of the holster?;)

    Anyhoo...I agree with the posts that recommend handgun training and practice.
    There are a few IDPA/IPSC type shoots here in the area, one very near Snoqualmie Falls, at the bottom of the hill, Sno Valley rifle and pistol, and another at Renton gun range.

    No better way to learn tactical use of a handgun than shooting and moving and reloading and doing it SAFELY.

    You learn to manage the adrenaline factor and also how to point and shoot and how to use sights effectively.
     
  7. David Loy

    David Loy Senior Moment

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    Since I don't own any firearms and only carry a swiss army bartender, I choose to fish with slow fat friends.
     
  8. salt dog

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    Rob is spot on. It is a known fact that cougars will only attack you if you are wearing spandex.
     
  9. David Loy

    David Loy Senior Moment

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    FYI - From a similar discussion on another forum:
     
  10. Fast Action Freddie

    Fast Action Freddie Having a drink in The Buff

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    there are a number of rational, substantive, well-stated responses on here why packing a gun may not make sense, may not be effective, may not be warranted (e.g. statistically). i happen to agree with those responses and couldn't have stated them better.

    i'll just add from my experience:
    i've been out practice firing both a .44 and also bear spray on a few occasions. i'm convinced that my chances of survival are greater with the bear spray. i'll leave it at that.

    i've spent much time out in the back country of WA, ID, MT, B.C., Alberta over the last 20 years and have seen many bear, many moose, many rattlesnakes, many signs of wolves and cougar (but not actual sighting). No bad encounters. In the early years, I was unable to get a good nights sleep in a tent in the back country - my fears would get the best of me. I now sleep great, primarily because:

    1. bear spray - i've never had to use it on a bear or other animal, but it is highly effective as a sleeping aid (eliminates worry/paranoia). and that's what's most important.
    2. experience and knowledge - the more you're out there, the more you get over the often-emotionally based fears. the more you learn about animal behavior and avoiding encounters, the more confidence you have that you can. the more you understand (statistically, via research) the threat, the more you can put it into perspective.

    i was recently surprised to hear about the explosion of wolf population in ID. many large wolf packs on our favorite rivers. initially this was a concern for me ... did a little research and found that my concern was unfounded. or at least mitigatable (if that's a word).

    not to fan the flame of gun debates, but inexperienced, paranoid, jumpy folks out in the woods with guns concerns me more than wild animals. maybe with a little experience & education, I can get over that too ...
     
  11. cuponoodle breakfast

    cuponoodle breakfast Bigfoot is blurry

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    How many agencies are sending their people to the range weekly? Very few are getting 1000 rounds to burn up at a time when they do go.
     
  12. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    oh man, I am such a slowleak.
    cougar=hot to trot middle aged woman seeking carnal union with a much younger man.
    only took me on 1/2 day to get it.:eek::eek::eek:
     
  13. jcnewbie

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    :thumb:iagree

    Hahahahah....priceless pics -- be sure to enlarge to read each one :rofl::rofl::rofl:!!

    JC:D
     
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    Oh jeeeez....you're way ahead of me...doh!!:beathead::beathead:

    JC:rofl:
     
  15. Mark Walker

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    still laughing! especially how to identify the grizzily scat!